22lr silencer adaptor

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does anyone use a press on adaptor for there 22 silencer in sted of threading their barrel
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wabbit wrote:does anyone use a press on adaptor for there 22 silencer in sted of threading their barrel
Not anyone that has any common sense.
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Is that a machinegun fork? Are they on the ban list?
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belt fed baby :mrgreen:

(the closest thing I could find to a thread with a fork in it :D)
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Wabbit, I too old to FORK around on this subject.
Please look at << http://www.muzzlecouplings.com/muzzle_couplings.htm >>

D.A.Q is an outstanding designer and air rifle producer.
(Will always be grateful for his touting me onto Rush Limbaugh
in his reply in the '80s.)

Let us know your solution.

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Historian wrote:Wabbit, I too old to FORK around on this subject.
Please look at << http://www.muzzlecouplings.com/muzzle_couplings.htm >>

D.A.Q is an outstanding designer and air rifle producer.
(Will always be grateful for his touting me onto Rush Limbaugh
in his reply in the '80s.)

Let us know your solution.

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Thanks Historian i knew they made these, i'm only asking because a very dear friend of mine built me a very special one off 22. He has since pasted and i dont want to cut into the barrel, it has no front sights nor is it tapered. Just asking if any one has used one with good results. In the uk they have them on air rifles but my barrel is o.950 round and know one seems to have an off the shelf unit to suit my needs thank you
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Wabbit, if you have a lathe it might be a good learning experience
to machine such an adaptor for your unique circumstance, first in Aluminum to learn
and develop the fine skills involved in designing, measuring, setting up lathe, planning sequences, and then
screwing up repeatedly but cheaply until you have made the first prototype properly.

Then proceed next and apply what you learned such as the optimum actions, skills acquired, etc. on brass.
You will gain further knowledge of the proper tool cutting angles, speeds required, etc.

When you have finally successfully made one that couples correctly and
looks as if D.A.Q had machined it then
go for your Shodan ( 初段 ) test by making a perfect one in Stainless. Oh
the surprises that will appear and the satisfaction from solving each.

Perfecting one's Form (Kata) takes a lifetime ... for any
area of study. :)

The journey is the juice.

Good luck, let us know your progress.
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wabbit wrote:
Historian wrote:Wabbit, I too old to FORK around on this subject.
Please look at << http://www.muzzlecouplings.com/muzzle_couplings.htm >>

D.A.Q is an outstanding designer and air rifle producer.
(Will always be grateful for his touting me onto Rush Limbaugh
in his reply in the '80s.)

Let us know your solution.

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Thanks Historian i knew they made these, i'm only asking because a very dear friend of mine built me a very special one off 22. He has since pasted and i dont want to cut into the barrel, it has no front sights nor is it tapered. Just asking if any one has used one with good results. In the uk they have them on air rifles but my barrel is o.950 round and know one seems to have an off the shelf unit to suit my needs thank you
The only issue is the likelihood that the bore of the barrel is perfectly centered is low and the repeatability of centering the adapter is also likely low. If you are throwing on an oil filter/soda bottle it doesn't matter, but baffle strikes are something to take seriously.
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Scared_of_zombies wrote:
wabbit wrote:
Historian wrote:Wabbit, I too old to FORK around on this subject.
Please look at << http://www.muzzlecouplings.com/muzzle_couplings.htm >>

D.A.Q is an outstanding designer and air rifle producer.
(Will always be grateful for his touting me onto Rush Limbaugh
in his reply in the '80s.)

Let us know your solution.

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Thanks Historian i knew they made these, i'm only asking because a very dear friend of mine built me a very special one off 22. He has since pasted and i dont want to cut into the barrel, it has no front sights nor is it tapered. Just asking if any one has used one with good results. In the uk they have them on air rifles but my barrel is o.950 round and know one seems to have an off the shelf unit to suit my needs thank you
The only issue is the likelihood that the bore of the barrel is perfectly centered is low and the repeatability of centering the adapter is also likely low. If you are throwing on an oil filter/soda bottle it doesn't matter, but baffle strikes are something to take seriously.
+1. Most assuredly.

That is why one always checks out alignment each time ... even from trusted techs.

In this vein, a great technique that is shown on the YouTube Bully Barrel threading is the
use of a SS pin in the barrel's bore.

<< http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fSzXNlQ97VI >>

It is relatively easy to make such a rod that just
slides smoothly into the barrel and extends out, 8" beyond to confirm clearances.
This extra 'cowardliness of packing one's own chute' once caught some dislodged
copper debris in a closed can.

Again, astute advice that one should never tire hearing over and over again.


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Historian wrote:...
<< http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fSzXNlQ97VI >>
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ajayofcanada 1 year ago

If i had one I would thread everything in my home, broom handles, cutlery, my tv remote control, a freezer burnt hot dog. Sweet!!!
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one can only move forward if one experiments, just because it has not been done good before does not mean it can't be done.i live in us terms about 200 miles from the nearest town this is where most of my problems lie.
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wabbit wrote:one can only move forward if one experiments, just because it has not been done good before does not mean it can't be done.i live in us terms about 200 miles from the nearest town this is where most of my problems lie.
It has been done before in the early 1900's.

Things have changed to say the least.
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My balls are not large enough to do it with my 22LR suppressor, but if I had a 9mm or 45ACP with a larger hole?
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RWBlue wrote:My balls are not large enough to do it with my 22LR suppressor, but if I had a 9mm or 45ACP with a larger hole?
Still would need some sizeable cojones to do that. Doesn't take much to get it dangerous fast.
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what if i made it 6'' long, all the couplings i can find are 2'' -3'' long . heated and press fitted so it can never be removed i only use subs for a silencer in a 22lr i do understand threading the barrel is the best it does not take BALLS to pull the trigger it take BRAINS
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If you're going to go as far as to heat it for a contraction joint, why not slip a little hard silver solder in there just to be sure.

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wabbit wrote:one can only move forward if one experiments, just because it has not been done good before does not mean it can't be done.i live in us terms about 200 miles from the nearest town this is where most of my problems lie.
Well if you can order a black n decker suppressor wrecker in the mail then you can also put a barrel in the mail ( or the rifle ) to send it to be properly threaded.

In the end if YOU are willing to risk you're money invested in the suppressor plus the stamp itself IF the tube was to be ruined by using such a "adapter" then that is you're choice.
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Not looking for a fight here and for the record I agree with the comments made to date, but for interest I did just what you are suggesting a few years back.

This was just a light press fit on and had a slot in to clear the fore sight, but still seems to hold well. No doubt if you abused the gun with the can on you could soon get it out of line

It worked with a 7 1/2" can so there were no alignment issues and is still going well, I was talking to the owner only this weekend and he has put a red dot on the gun now.

You must also remember that I can just make another can without form 1 etc. so IF you can machine very accurately and are happy with the risk it is up to you

I would say though that if you have the option to thread that IS the way to go, it was not an option in this case

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im not looking for a fight just asking, most of my rifles are threaded just looking for different ways to do things maybe even able to help someone down the line
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Enfield577 wrote:Not looking for a fight here and for the record I agree with the comments made to date, but for interest I did just what you are suggesting a few years back.

This was just a light press fit on and had a slot in to clear the fore sight, but still seems to hold well. No doubt if you abused the gun with the can on you could soon get it out of line

It worked with a 7 1/2" can so there were no alignment issues and is still going well, I was talking to the owner only this weekend and he has put a red dot on the gun now.

You must also remember that I can just make another can without form 1 etc. so IF you can machine very accurately and are happy with the risk it is up to you

I would say though that if you have the option to thread that IS the way to go, it was not an option in this case

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Again, Enfield, your talent and innovativeness are a joy to see. Well done.
Being the arrant 'chicken' that I am I would have also, redundantly, added two set screws.

You do raise a most intriguing question. Given a barrel that is difficult to remove can one still
use a lathe or milling machine to thread it? Extrapolating from what I have seen over the years
a possibility that would work on my Gedanken Lathe/Milling Machine [ on these machines I have turned
out items of all sizes that would rival those from the best machinists in the world. :) ].

Making a jig which resembles a six jaw chuck with a back taper of the lathe spindle, e.g., 3MT.
then the whole slide/barrel assembly can be turned precisely. Ray Brandes inspired me when he
actually constructed his brilliant holder to make his legendary Bully Barrel for the S&W M41, as can be viewed in
the YouTube that I tediously mention all the time.

Motto of the 1950's MIT tool and die maker: " 80% of machining is the designing the set ups
and holding jigs.The rest even you could finish." OUCH. :)

Again, most impressive. Thanks for showing.
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Tacticool22 makes great adapters, I added one to my 22 mossberg 702 and 802 rifle and they work great, top notch machine work and reasonably priced, if you call ask for Jody
http://www.tacticool22.com/
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I am thinking this is a time when it would be nice to have an oil filter suppressor where a baffle strike is a non-issue.
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nutpn wrote:Tacticool22 makes great adapters, I added one to my 22 mossberg 702 and 802 rifle and they work great, top notch machine work and reasonably priced, if you call ask for Jody
http://www.tacticool22.com/
Yeap, I got mine for 10/22 and works great never had a baffle strike.
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