I wanted to create an easy to make form 1 can for you guys in the US who don't have the best machining skills
I have seen lots of posts recently about making cans with standard parts and it got me thinking (always dangerous )
I am luck enough to be able to experiment over here, so thought I would do so on your behalf as it were
The basic baffles are modified parts of Co2 cylinders pressed into Al cups, this is all dropped into a can as usual
Now I made a can with screw in end cap but if you could not cut a thread you could maybe use 3 screws to hold in the end caps
The holes in the baffles are 1/4"
I just tried this with a Walther G22 at around 40 yards (best I can get at my place) and it is quiet and seems to shoot ok
It is very quiet on the G22 rifle but I expect rather louder on a pistol, so depends what you want a can for
Now I know it has its limitations and am not suggesting this is the best can for a 22, this was rather an excercise to show that you can make an effective can with very basic turning skills and it will work. As I say you can do better if you know how and have the kit but understand that some people are limited and just want to make a can themself, rather than just by one.
As to the life of this thing, the baffles as such are steel so if you kept it cleen and oiled it should last a long time and if it did wear out every 10 years it is so simple in design that I would hope an 07/02 dealer would not charge too much to remake parts - the whole can took me maybe 3 hours
Before the lawyers jump in, I am not suggesting you make this without all your paperwork in order - stick too the rules guys
I would also say this for a 22, don't try this with 338
So if you are a beginner and just want to have a go, good luck to you
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Very good post. My only comment is that most of these "Hey, can I used <insert item here> to use in a silencer" posts are from those with no access to an adequate machine.
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Well done sir.
An even more simplified version might be to use just
slices of the CO2 steel cartridges themselves in a cylinder.
You then have steel baffles and steel spacers. As a good hunter,
you waste no parts.
I took a mic to a CO2 cylinder and
it is .75", the diameter of a US penny. Thus with a cut off saw you have,
after drilling the requisite .25" hole of course, front spherical baffles,
and the rest of the cylinder is cut to make the spacers.
I looked up the dimensions of the old Parker Hale .22 can and they are: I.D. = .75" and length 6.5".
May I give you a sincere compliment by naming your design: a Hail-Enfield577
suppressor.
Fun resources for JACO designs: << http://www.getbookee.org/jaco-designs-gun-plans/ >>
An even more simplified version might be to use just
slices of the CO2 steel cartridges themselves in a cylinder.
You then have steel baffles and steel spacers. As a good hunter,
you waste no parts.
I took a mic to a CO2 cylinder and
it is .75", the diameter of a US penny. Thus with a cut off saw you have,
after drilling the requisite .25" hole of course, front spherical baffles,
and the rest of the cylinder is cut to make the spacers.
I looked up the dimensions of the old Parker Hale .22 can and they are: I.D. = .75" and length 6.5".
May I give you a sincere compliment by naming your design: a Hail-Enfield577
suppressor.
Fun resources for JACO designs: << http://www.getbookee.org/jaco-designs-gun-plans/ >>
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I have never owned anything CO2 powered so I haven't messed around with one of these little cartridges. What is it like on the inside of the other end of the cartridge? Could you cut off part of the neck on the cartridge and be left with something resembling a cone baffle? Wondered about alternating them with the spherical baffles....or using them separate for a higher velocity can like a .17 or 22 mag.
Nice work by the way, if you got it done in three hours...probably an all day job for someone that is figuring it out as they go.
Probably need to post a link to your device you made to crimp the dimples to hold the end cap on....I forget exactly how it was made, but I'm guessing it could be made with a drill press and a tap set.
Nice work by the way, if you got it done in three hours...probably an all day job for someone that is figuring it out as they go.
Probably need to post a link to your device you made to crimp the dimples to hold the end cap on....I forget exactly how it was made, but I'm guessing it could be made with a drill press and a tap set.
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I'm so happy I bought, and learned to use a lathe. I used to ponder on how to make a can with off the shelf parts, but I no longer eyeball every round thing with a hole in it at the hardware store.
Good post though.
Good post though.
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I have to say this is one of the most creative and resourceful builds posted in a long time. IMHO it deserves a place in the completed Form 1 thread even though no Form 1 was required by the OP.
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Enfield,
You did it again, Nice machining, beautifully executed.
As Davis thinks alternate or as Historian thinks use the rest for spacers or even cut them at different length if they fit into a .75 tube..
gives one so much ideas...
One could use the front as 1st baffle, might work, It is so nice to be able to experiment.. and so on an on..
Gunny
You did it again, Nice machining, beautifully executed.
As Davis thinks alternate or as Historian thinks use the rest for spacers or even cut them at different length if they fit into a .75 tube..
gives one so much ideas...
One could use the front as 1st baffle, might work, It is so nice to be able to experiment.. and so on an on..
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I also looked at the other end of the cylinders but they did not all run concentric and made drilling difficult so it was better to start of with the ball end and be able to centre drill and keep all concentricdaviscustom wrote:I have never owned anything CO2 powered so I haven't messed around with one of these little cartridges. What is it like on the inside of the other end of the cartridge? Could you cut off part of the neck on the cartridge and be left with something resembling a cone baffle? Wondered about alternating them with the spherical baffles....or using them separate for a higher velocity can like a .17 or 22 mag.
Nice work by the way, if you got it done in three hours...probably an all day job for someone that is figuring it out as they go.
Probably need to post a link to your device you made to crimp the dimples to hold the end cap on....I forget exactly how it was made, but I'm guessing it could be made with a drill press and a tap set.
See details of the crimping tool, I turn the rear end cap with a groove to suit, assemble in the jig then use a battery drill with torque setting to crimp. The six screws have a point machined on the ends. The bolt on the base is for extracting the can once crimped together
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Historian wrote:Well done sir.
An even more simplified version might be to use just
slices of the CO2 steel cartridges themselves in a cylinder.
You then have steel baffles and steel spacers. As a good hunter,
you waste no parts.
I took a mic to a CO2 cylinder and
it is .75", the diameter of a US penny. Thus with a cut off saw you have,
after drilling the requisite .25" hole of course, front spherical baffles,
and the rest of the cylinder is cut to make the spacers.
I looked up the dimensions of the old Parker Hale .22 can and they are: I.D. = .75" and length 6.5".
May I give you a sincere compliment by naming your design: a Hail-Enfield577
suppressor.
Fun resources for JACO designs: << http://www.getbookee.org/jaco-designs-gun-plans/ >>
Interesting points, I have a Ruger pistol with integral can on the way to me to be reworked and I think the tube may be smaller diameter so we shall see what we can do
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Beautiful set up, pictures, and metal items. Your pictures are so atavisticallyEnfield577 wrote:I also looked at the other end of the cylinders but they did not all run concentric and made drilling difficult so it was better to start of with the ball end and be able to centre drill and keep all concentricdaviscustom wrote:I have never owned anything CO2 powered so I haven't messed around with one of these little cartridges. What is it like on the inside of the other end of the cartridge? Could you cut off part of the neck on the cartridge and be left with something resembling a cone baffle? Wondered about alternating them with the spherical baffles....or using them separate for a higher velocity can like a .17 or 22 mag.
Nice work by the way, if you got it done in three hours...probably an all day job for someone that is figuring it out as they go.
Probably need to post a link to your device you made to crimp the dimples to hold the end cap on....I forget exactly how it was made, but I'm guessing it could be made with a drill press and a tap set.
See details of the crimping tool, I turn the rear end cap with a groove to suit, assemble in the jig then use a battery drill with torque setting to crimp. The six screws have a point machined on the ends. The bolt on the base is for extracting the can once crimped together
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Beautifully done.
interestingly enough CO2 (and other gas) cartridges are made in a large range of sizes. From 3/4 inch for whipped cream makers and CO2 guns ranging through 1.5" (ish) for paintball, on up to 2"+ for fire suppression systems used in commercial kitchens.
Some of these are quite thick and have impressively high pressure ratings.
Fire extinguisher service businesses have bins full of these and have always given them to me free.
interestingly enough CO2 (and other gas) cartridges are made in a large range of sizes. From 3/4 inch for whipped cream makers and CO2 guns ranging through 1.5" (ish) for paintball, on up to 2"+ for fire suppression systems used in commercial kitchens.
Some of these are quite thick and have impressively high pressure ratings.
Fire extinguisher service businesses have bins full of these and have always given them to me free.
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mooface wrote:Beautifully done. interestingly enough CO2 (and other gas) cartridges are made in a large range of sizes. From 3/4 inch for whipped cream makers and CO2 guns ranging through 1.5" (ish) for paintball, on up to 2"+ for fire suppression systems used in commercial kitchens. Some of these are quite thick and have impressively high pressure ratings. Fire extinguisher service businesses have bins full of these and have always given them to me free.
Yes makes you think though for much larger I would machine baffles specifically.
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Why not use the front end also and alternate between the two. That way you're getting two baffles from each CO² cylinder?
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Read my comments erlier in this thread - concentricity and manufacturing issues, I wanted to make this without traps so a beginner could easiliy make itjreinke wrote:Why not use the front end also and alternate between the two. That way you're getting two baffles from each CO² cylinder?
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Oops, totally missed that daviscustom beat me to the punch. That's what happens when you scan instead of read.Enfield577 wrote:Read my comments erlier in this thread - concentricity and manufacturing issues, I wanted to make this without traps so a beginner could easiliy make itjreinke wrote:Why not use the front end also and alternate between the two. That way you're getting two baffles from each CO² cylinder?
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1) I'm so jealous. Even in Texas, I have to pay and wait XX months to tinker. You make me want to move or get the 07/02.
2) Doubloon, your avatar is a time-machine that only goes forward in time.
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+Google Bumps!SinjinSmith wrote:1) I'm so jealous. Even in Texas, I have to pay and wait XX months to tinker. You make me want to move or get the 07/02.
2) Doubloon, your avatar is a time-machine that only goes forward in time.
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