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I'm about to start a new project for a friend. The new can is going to be fully welded (laser, i guess), that means, no tube at all but all the internals welded together and then machined to cleanup.
My question is: The serial number can be placed anywhere since there is no "real" tube. Correct ?. Thanks.
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Question ? Do you have a laser welder and are you a Licensed manufacturer?
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Just asking. I read the long drawn out post. Soundtech I have 2 custom{yes custom! only 2 in existence} cans from Mark White himself. But it would help in the future to post a question of that nature with a bit of detail. Because no one likes the included statements when it comes to building a suppressor. "this guy I know" "for a friend" and ever popular "this one guy one time said it was ok on the internet somewhere".

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I don't have a laser welder, my Brother does. Our core businesses are not related to Suppressors (some about weapons) so little know how on "how to" in some specific circumstances like this one. I can do some more research out there but having a specific forum for Suppressors I thought that it would be faster and more clear. If anyone would like to have more details or info, just let me know and i'll be glad to share.
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TheMissingLeg wrote:... If anyone would like to have more details or info, just let me know and i'll be glad to share.
The point being made, and maybe missed, is people on this forum who are knowledgeable, conscientious and aware generally do not wish to be seen as facilitating projects and/or activities that may not be entirely on the up-and-up whether intentional or unknowingly.

The laws around the manufacture of firearms and suppressors (redundant I know) are somewhat loose in many respects including the interpretation of what constitutes collaboration and involvement. So, most upstanding members here are hesitant to encourage activities where the intent is not crystal clear even with something simple like the answer to a question.

That said, every suppressor manufactured in the U.S. is required to have a visible and unobstructed serial number regardless of whether or not the manufacturer believes the welded together bits enclosing the space between baffles constitutes a "tube".

But ... a licensed manufacturer (your brother?) would know the answer to a question as simple as this and it's the nebulous "start a new project for a friend" that makes people think their shoes might pick up a stink if they post an answer in this thread.
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TheMissingLeg wrote:I'm about to start a new project for a friend. The new can is going to be fully welded (laser, i guess), that means, no tube at all but all the internals welded together and then machined to cleanup.
My question is: The serial number can be placed anywhere since there is no "real" tube. Correct ?. Thanks.
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I think its good to ask questions but some are better ask to the people behind the decision in question in this case the NFA branch. We all see people posting questions on how to do this or that and some are shady and some are not. This question you ask was not bad in its self but in the way you ask it. And some of your other post kinda read like a fairly smart individual that has access to a bunch of high tech machines that want to make something cool and cloak a dagger. I am not doubting you or what you say but your post need a little background story before we open up with our knowledge on this site.

I was not attempting to start another thread were the US will lose power on how many microwaves can cook the most popcorn,I just was bringing to light some reasons you might not be getting your questions answered.

I hope you find your answers and good luck.
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I don't really see the issue here: Have access to a "bunch of high tech machines" ?, yes i do. Have a 02/07 license ?, no, my Brother and my Uncle do. Is the new project for a Friend ?, yes. Am i lucky for that ?, probably yes. Do i know everything about Suppressors ?, no, not even 5%. I'm not trying to piggy back others business or position myself on top. I'm just asking questions i need an answer for. if you point me to the NFA branch, that's a good answer for me. Thanks !
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M40A1308M wrote:Just asking. I read the long drawn out post. Soundtech I have 2 custom{yes custom! only 2 in existence} cans from Mark White himself. But it would help in the future to post a question of that nature with a bit of detail. Because no one likes the included statements when it comes to building a suppressor. "this guy I know" "for a friend" and ever popular "this one guy one time said it was ok on the internet somewhere".

Thanks.
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TheMissingLeg wrote:I don't really see the issue here: ...
As was stated before there probably is no issue. But people often do come through here asking questions who are unaware of the NFA rules so nobody wants to be seen or perceived as "giving permission" by providing a simple answer.

IMHO once all the parts are welded together there will be a "tube" even if it's not possible to separate it from the baffles or the end caps without destroying it. So after all the sanding, grinding and general exterior material adjusting is completed the serial number should be engraved on the side of the tube that is not a tube by the 02/07 manufacturer.

The confusing part of this for me is if your brother and your uncle have an 02/07 it seems they should probably already know the answer.

ETA: the reason for putting it on the side instead of one of the end caps is because it is possible to repair an end cap without significantly changing the length of the tube but if the S/N is on the end cap being repaired or replaced it can complicate things.
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http://www.atf.gov/firearms/faq/nationa ... r-markings

what I read was it could legally be marked on the tube or endcap. "Strongly recommends" is up for your own interpretation.
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Thanks Doubloon. Makes a lot of sense and with that I'll send a letter to the BATF and officially ask.
OK, the confusing part. Sorry i did not explain well in my first post so here i go again: My family (Father, Brother and Uncle) owns 3 medium size Machine Shops. None of them is dedicated to Weapons (or related) but happens that for some contracts (.gov) they have to build weapon parts, integrate, and/or modify existing ones. That plus being Guns our hobby is the reason 2 of them (Brother and Uncle) have the licenses. I do enjoy such a nice umbrella, that's all. What I know about Suppressors is what I've learned by myself. They just help and give advice/directions on Machining. I'm here to learn and probably share info with others also willing to learn.
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Welcome, also with access to equipment this could be an interesting site if you've never seen it before.

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Do you have the number# I wont post it so don't ask, but the one I have you dial it and the second you hang up it rings back and its him. But I haven't talked to him for a year I haven't needed to.
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I called that number once but he didn't call back.

I turned around and he was sitting on my couch eating my Cheetos and drinking my scotch.

I wouldn't have minded so much but he didn't have a glass and there was orange goo built up around the mouth of the bottle.
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