Can anyone recommend a machine shop in NC?

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I am waiting on a Form 1 and there are a few things that I can't do yet. Does anyone know of a machine shop in NC that are ok with machining these parts for me? Thanks in advance.
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shooter123456 wrote:Does anyone know of a machine shop in NC that are ok with machining these parts for me?
I took it as he was looking for a shop that would be legally licensed to help him out. I could be wrong.
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shooter123456 wrote:I am waiting on a Form 1 and there are a few things that I can't do yet. Does anyone know of a machine shop in NC that are ok with machining these parts for me? Thanks in advance.
What part of NC?
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T-Rex wrote:
shooter123456 wrote:Does anyone know of a machine shop in NC that are ok with machining these parts for me?
I took it as he was looking for a shop that would be legally licensed to help him out. I could be wrong.
Yes, I did mean a licensed shop, however with the new "ruling" I am no longer sure if a shop would be able to help me out.
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CMV wrote:
shooter123456 wrote:I am waiting on a Form 1 and there are a few things that I can't do yet. Does anyone know of a machine shop in NC that are ok with machining these parts for me? Thanks in advance.
What part of NC?
I am near Raleigh, but I am willing to travel to any part of the state as I am sure such shops will be scarce.
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SRI?
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We can help you out I am sure, shoot me a PM with what you are looking to have done.
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Form 1 is now approved and it has been over a month and a half with no response from SRI. Can anyone recommend another shop?
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what parts do you need made?
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shooter123456 wrote:Form 1 is now approved and it has been over a month and a half with no response from SRI. Can anyone recommend another shop?
Can you resend, I am not seeing the email.
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john.t.little1 wrote:what parts do you need made?
I need a tube threaded and endcaps machined.
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Still looking for a shop if anyone has any information.
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shooter123456 wrote:Still looking for a shop if anyone has any information.
I guess you didn't get my email.

What you are asking is for a machine shop to make your can for you.

An 07/02 can not thread, engrave and machine your parts.....it makes that 07/02 the maker of the can and therefore it would require the 07/02's information and not yours.

Form1 cans can only be REPAIRED by an 07/02, they can not be built by the 07/02.

Get your tube engraved and threaded and we can take it from there, but you can't have anyone make your can for you....not on a Form1.
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Not to argue with you at all but.....

A tube can be made and threaded.
End caps can be made.
If you do not drill a exit hole on non-threaded end cap then its not a suppressor.

If I am wrong then someone explain to me these
http://apogeeproducts.com/products
http://www.sdtacticalarms.com/Hardware_c_8.html

Any machine shop can make a threaded tube to your specs. its a threaded tube.
Any machine shop can make a end cap. Its just a end cap.
The problem lies that when you put a threaded tube, a end cap with muzzle threads and a end cap with a hole in it then you have a suppressor.

There are a lot of people selling end caps that fit Maglites.

And someone else can make the can for you but you would have to be there the entire time.

On another note - I knew of a FFL7/SOT that would make K-baffles for another FFL7/SOT.
The other FFL would then have a local machine shop make the tubes, then another make the end caps....
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First off, thanks for joining just to spread disinformation.

Your statements, while not probable, can land someone in prison.

The law is clear on suppressor parts.
Gun Control Act Definitions

Silencer

18 U.S.C., § 921(A)(24)

The term “Firearm Silencer” or “Firearm Muffler” means any device for silencing, muffling, or diminishing the report of a portable firearm, including any combination of parts, designed or redesigned, and intended for the use in assembling or fabricating a firearm silencer or firearm muffler, any part intended only for use in such assembly or fabrication.

Your Apogee and SDTA are sold as "solvent traps". They are DESIGNED and INTENDED to be used as such. Can they be a suppressor part? Yes, the same as a Coke bottle. However, that is not their designed intention.
Once YOU plan to make it into a suppressor part, you need a Form 1…

Now, when you call Franks Machine and Welding to cut and thread tubes and caps, your designs and intentions are for a suppressor.

I am just trying to make this clear for everyone who may stumble upon this, be it, directly from this site or Google.

Please, do as you wish, so long as you are aware. The ATF has long arms.

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Thanks T-Rex!

You saved me from typing most of that out!

I will add....

None of the companies that are selling these parts have posted documentation from the ATF stating that even though the intention is to become silencer parts that they can be sold as non-silencer parts.

Renaming something to suit your purposes does not change the legality of the parts.

I would also suggest you read ATF Ruling 2015-01, its specifically discusses WHO can build your firearms for you.

As far as knowing an 07 that outsourced his parts to non-licensee's.... I am not even going to get into that as there is a number of levels on how that is illegal in all regards. ATF is pretty explicit as to who can do that work.

People like that 07 is the reason we have so many restrictions.....someone always has to ruin it for others.
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T-Rex wrote:Your Apogee and SDTA are sold as "solvent traps". They are DESIGNED and INTENDED to be used as such. Can they be a suppressor part? Yes, the same as a Coke bottle. However, that is not their designed intention.
Once YOU plan to make it into a suppressor part, you need a Form 1…
Come on.........

Since when did your Maglite need a thread protector....with threads?

When did solvent traps need titanium tubes, freeze plugs, mounts, GemTech Multimount or Griffin Muzzlebrake compatability etc....

You know as well as everyone that reads this that the DESIGN and INTENTION is NOT AS SOLVENT TRAPS....it's their play on words to try and get around the ATF.
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Still looking....but I offered to let him use my machines and I'd assist as needed.

I think he'd be better off just having the whole thing custom built to his specs by an 02 SOT. OP you CAN get your $200 back for the stamp. Not to be a dick, but this isn't for everyone. If you don't have (or access to) the necessary machines and the knowledge to design & build, a form-1 suppressor isn't for you right now. Unless you want something cobbled together from miscellaneous flashlight, automotive, and hardware parts just to have something.
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Bendersquint wrote: You know as well as everyone that reads this that the DESIGN and INTENTION is NOT AS SOLVENT TRAPS....it's their play on words to try and get around the ATF.
I'll let the ATF be the judge on that one, not me!
CMV wrote:Still looking....but I offered to let him use my machines and I'd assist as needed.

I think he'd be better off just having the whole thing custom built to his specs by an 02 SOT. OP you CAN get your $200 back for the stamp. Not to be a dick, but this isn't for everyone. If you don't have (or access to) the necessary machines and the knowledge to design & build, a form-1 suppressor isn't for you right now. Unless you want something cobbled together from miscellaneous flashlight, automotive, and hardware parts just to have something.
You're very right.
Something about leading a horse to water sounds familiar, right about now.
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CMV wrote: Not to be a dick, but this isn't for everyone. If you don't have (or access to) the necessary machines and the knowledge to design & build, a form-1 suppressor isn't for you right now. Unless you want something cobbled together from miscellaneous flashlight, automotive, and hardware parts just to have something.
This, 100x this.

I've got so much less spent on 7 commercial cans, than I would have spent on a barely adequate lathe, tooling, aND materials. Then there is the near zero amount of metal working skills I posses. Sometimes you gotta know your limits.
You keep using that word. I do not think it means what you think it means.
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Cant agree more. "I have the machine tools to save money on buying guns/cans/etc" is just a lie I tell my wife and even she doesn't believe it. I do this cause I enjoy it. There is not such thing as saving money in the NFA relm.
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I don't need you to quote me the law regarding the manufacturer of a silencer.
I am very much aware of the law.

My point being is that a threaded tube is just a threaded tube.
Its your intent that makes it illegal.

If you go with intent then EVERYONE that purchases any "solvent tubes" for use for their suppressors are breaking the law the minute they purchase them. Works the same for threaded end caps and the same for freeze plug forming tools. The design of the FP forming tool is to form or redesign freeze plug for use in suppressors. That is what they are intended for. And as such using your logic, they are illegal.

To the OP what are you trying to make that you can't purchase already made?
Right now there are three suppliers of "SOLVENT TUBES"
I named two of them above and I am sure that you can look on here and find the 3rd one.

In fact the 3rd one will make a "SOLVENT TUBE" to your specifications.

And further more - the NFA handbooks states if the applicant on the Form 1 lacks the skill, ability, and/or equipment to manufacture the NFA firearm,
the applicant, after receipt of the approved Form 1, can have the firearm created or modified at a
premises other than shown on the approved Form 1 as long as the creation or modification was done
under the direct oversight of the applicant, thus having the applicant retain custody and control of the
firearm. If the location is outside the applicant’s State and the firearm being made is a short barreled
rifle, short barreled shotgun, destructive device, or an unserviceable machinegun which is being
reactivated, the applicant will also need to request permission to transport the firearm interstate as
required by 27 CFR 478.28.
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I only need to build about 20 more silencers, make 6 more SBRs, make 37 muzzle brakes, and thread 19 barrels until I break even :)

I'm in the same boat as you. I bought the machine tools to do this as a hobby and something I enjoy doing. But it is the exact opposite of a cost savings.

My rationalization is that I bought my machines used so one day all my projects will be finished and I'll sell the machines and tooling and get my $ back out of them. I believe that about as much as I believe my next powerball ticket is going to be a winner.

McLarenross wrote:Cant agree more. "I have the machine tools to save money on buying guns/cans/etc" is just a lie I tell my wife and even she doesn't believe it. I do this cause I enjoy it. There is not such thing as saving money in the NFA relm.
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