Replace the core?

[dsteuber]

My understanding is that the tube with the serial number is the silencer, much like the frame of a firearm with the serial number is the firearm. Bearing that in mind, is it lawful to replace a worn out core in a silencer which has been taxed and stamp on file?

[Scared_of_zombies]

My understanding is that the tube with the serial number is the silencer, much like the frame of a firearm with the serial number is the firearm. Bearing that in mind, is it lawful to replace a worn out core in a silencer which has been taxed and stamp on file?

As I understand it, an 07/02 is able to legally do that, but a form 1 builder is not.

[T-Rex]

My understanding is that the tube with the serial number is the silencer, much like the frame of a firearm with the serial number is the firearm. Bearing that in mind, is it lawful to replace a worn out core in a silencer which has been taxed and stamp on file?

Actually, pretty much every part is the silencer. The tube is serialized because it is easily read, accessible and usually the last part to need repair.

You didn't say whether this was a form 1 or commercial can.
I thought, with recent laws, only the original mfr (form 1, individual excluded) could repair a form 1 device.

[Bendersquint]

The ATF only allows licensed SOT manufacturers to replace any silencer parts.

A Form1 maker is not permitted to replace any silencer parts.

ETA.....

For those that require cites...

From the ATF's FAQ website...
"A person who is licensed under the Gun Control Act (GCA) to manufacture firearms and who has paid the special (occupational) tax to manufacture National Firearms Act (NFA) firearms may replace a component part or parts of a silencer."

"Persons other than qualified manufacturers may repair silencers, but replacement parts are “silencers” as defined in 18 U.S.C. § 921(a)(24) that must be registered and transferred in accordance with the NFA and GCA."

[Dlob]

Point of clarity for a new guy...not sure I'd want to do this, but I'm asking so that I understand better (and who knows, maybe I would want to?).

If I wanted to repair a core that was made with a Form 1, could I submit a new Form 1 and $200 to the ATF for the same dimensions as the first silencer but with a new S/N, make the new parts and replace them, and then reuse the outside can (marked now with the new S/N)?

The old core parts would then be destroyed and the first S/N reported to the ATF as destroyed.

The only issue I can find with that is for awhile the only parts remaining from the first silencer would be the core parts and they wouldn't have the information needed engraved, but if they were destroyed prior to making new components maybe this would work out?

Sorry - weird thing to ask, but I suspect I'll learn more about the whole process by asking.

Thanks in advance for answers!

[WhisperFan]

If you are going to do a new Form 1, and pay the additional tax ... make a new one from scratch and have 2 !

You won't get a refund for the destroyed one ... so despite the legality of it ... I don't understand the advantage (if it is possible)

[Dlob]

If you are going to do a new Form 1, and pay the additional tax ... make a new one from scratch and have 2 !

You won't get a refund for the destroyed one ... so despite the legality of it ... I don't understand the advantage (if it is possible)

Like I said, I'm not sure I'd want to, just thought I'd ask for the purposes of getting educated. Only real place I could see if is you made a really good base/blast chamber/first baffle out of something expensive like Inconel and the rest of the core out of something cheap that goes to hell after awhile, you could retain and reuse the expensive Inconel part. Ditto if you have a nice Ti cylinder or similar that you wanted to retain.

Those are about the only scenarios I can come up with.

[Bendersquint]

Point of clarity for a new guy...not sure I'd want to do this, but I'm asking so that I understand better (and who knows, maybe I would want to?).

If I wanted to repair a core that was made with a Form 1, could I submit a new Form 1 and $200 to the ATF for the same dimensions as the first silencer but with a new S/N, make the new parts and replace them, and then reuse the outside can (marked now with the new S/N)?

The old core parts would then be destroyed and the first S/N reported to the ATF as destroyed.

The only issue I can find with that is for awhile the only parts remaining from the first silencer would be the core parts and they wouldn't have the information needed engraved, but if they were destroyed prior to making new components maybe this would work out?

Sorry - weird thing to ask, but I suspect I'll learn more about the whole process by asking.

Thanks in advance for answers!

If you report the first silencer destroyed then you have no tube as the only way to destroy a tube is to destroy a tube, you can't say that you destroyed it and reuse it.

Every part of a silencer is classified as a silencer in itself.....therefore if your new core has 8 baffles and 7 spacers and an endcap that is a grand total of 16 new tax stamps.

Each part would be a silencer, not the whole collection of parts, EACH part.

This is why it makes sense to just go to an 07/02 for a new core as there is no stamps involved and will cost alot less in the long run.

[Dlob]

Point of clarity for a new guy...not sure I'd want to do this, but I'm asking so that I understand better (and who knows, maybe I would want to?).

If I wanted to repair a core that was made with a Form 1, could I submit a new Form 1 and $200 to the ATF for the same dimensions as the first silencer but with a new S/N, make the new parts and replace them, and then reuse the outside can (marked now with the new S/N)?

The old core parts would then be destroyed and the first S/N reported to the ATF as destroyed.

The only issue I can find with that is for awhile the only parts remaining from the first silencer would be the core parts and they wouldn't have the information needed engraved, but if they were destroyed prior to making new components maybe this would work out?

Sorry - weird thing to ask, but I suspect I'll learn more about the whole process by asking.

Thanks in advance for answers!

If you report the first silencer destroyed then you have no tube as the only way to destroy a tube is to destroy a tube, you can't say that you destroyed it and reuse it.

Every part of a silencer is classified as a silencer in itself.....therefore if your new core has 8 baffles and 7 spacers and an endcap that is a grand total of 16 new tax stamps.

Each part would be a silencer, not the whole collection of parts, EACH part.

This is why it makes sense to just go to an 07/02 for a new core as there is no stamps involved and will cost alot less in the long run.

Well, as I intended, something learned. Thanks Bender!

[dsteuber]

Wow. I mean wow.

Obviously not the answer I wanted. But the law is the law until it can be changed.

It probably costs way more than I can afford to get an 07/02 SOT.

I don't suppose there are any efforts to get silencers removed from the NFA and treated as simple accessories.

[T-Rex]

Would you care to share the mfr of said suppressor and or post some pics?

It would be helpful for, not only, future designing, but as a review of a particular product.
How many rounds do you have through the suppressor?

[Bendersquint]

Wow. I mean wow.

Obviously not the answer I wanted. But the law is the law until it can be changed.

It probably costs way more than I can afford to get an 07/02 SOT.

I don't suppose there are any efforts to get silencers removed from the NFA and treated as simple accessories.

You don't need to get an 07/02 to have it recored......you send your can to one for a new core.

Yes there are efforts out there working to get cans eventually removed from the registry.

[dsteuber]

Thanks, Bendersquint.

T-Rex, the can is an AWC Raider 5.56 NATO. I do not know what it looks like inside. I have not counted the rounds through it in either 5.56 or 22LR.

If I can't clean it out, as has been indicated earlier in the thread, I'll just have to get a quote from AWC for the fix. I don't know if AWC is the only company that can do the job or not. Hopefully I can do this through the dealer as I hate phone calls.

[Bendersquint]

Thanks, Bendersquint.

T-Rex, the can is an AWC Raider 5.56 NATO. I do not know what it looks like inside. I have not counted the rounds through it in either 5.56 or 22LR.

If I can't clean it out, as has been indicated earlier in the thread, I'll just have to get a quote from AWC for the fix. I don't know if AWC is the only company that can do the job or not. Hopefully I can do this through the dealer as I hate phone calls.

I would go with AWC as your first bet....always good to retain your warranty as much as possible.

If you don't get anywhere with them there are a few shops that will recore it.....always cheaper to go OEM though as the generally have spare parts on hand.

Why go through a dealer when a dealer isn't needed?

[dsteuber]

Why go through a dealer when a dealer isn't needed?

I don't know the rules about shipping suppressors to the factory and getting them back. That actually applies to firearms in general.

I don't want to get screwed by some administrative rule.

[Bendersquint]

Why go through a dealer when a dealer isn't needed?

I don't know the rules about shipping suppressors to the factory and getting them back. That actually applies to firearms in general.

I don't want to get screwed by some administrative rule.

Most silencer manufacturers know how to conduct their business in accordance with the laws and will inform you how to ship cans to them.

[dsteuber]

Good to know.