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[Bendersquint]

I would like to build an Integrally Suppressed .357 Handi Rifle, or possibly a Ruger 77/357. I want it to look like a standard bull barrel rifle. I saw a post made by Curtis Tactical saying that he builds 300 BLK bolt guns with a 1" OD tube, 6" barrel and around 16" finished length. Of course a .357 has a bigger bore. I want a 6" minimum barrel length and I wouldn't complain if the OAL of tube was 20" if I could get good suppression with subsonic loads.

I want it to look like a standard rifle because I would hunt on crowded public land.

I want it to be .357 because in Ohio there is a list of specific cartridges that can be used for deer and .38/.357 is the smallest bore size on the list.

I want a minimum 6" barrel for velocity using full power .357, I could use subsonics for bow hunting distances and target practice.

My main goal is to protect my hearing and firing a shot without spooking every animal in the forest.

Any advice, anecdotes, or experience will be appreciated.

You can't hunt deer with a 308?

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[Bendersquint]

You can't hunt deer with a 308?

In Ohio legal deer hunting rifles are chambered for the following calibers: .357 Magnum, .357 Maximum, .38 Special, .375 Super Magnum, .375 Winchester, .38-55, .41 Long Colt, .41 Magnum, .44 Special, .44 Magnum, .444 Marlin, .45 ACP, .45 Colt, .45 Long Colt, .45 Winchester Magnum, .45 Smith & Wesson, .454 Casull, .460 Smith & Wesson, .45-70, .45-90, .45-110, .475 Linebaugh, .50-70, .50-90, .50-100, .50-110 and .500 Smith & Wesson.

Before 2014 only shotguns, muzzleloaders, and handguns with straight walled cartridges .357 or larger.

2015 will be the first year that suppressors are permitted for hunting.

If there are better choices available from the list that could be built in a discreet package I would choose something other than a .357.

Not sure if you are hunting why the need to be discreet, but I would use 357Mag/38spl personally.

I would also go with a 1.125-1.25" tube.

[CMV]

Odd that you can only use straight wall cartridges. Is this only for 'pistol caliber' rifles or ANY rifle? .243 & .308 are probably more ethical than many on that list - esp at ranges > 100 yds.

Most 158gr starting loads for .357MAG are supersonic. Not a hunter, not a PETA guy either. But it doesn't sound like the best recipe for taking game that size - slowing down a .357MAG to subsonic speeds.

Anyway, .055-.060" over projectile diameter is a good place to be. No real good reason to go much tighter.

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[whiterussian1974]

Odd that you can only use straight wall cartridges. Is this only for 'pistol caliber' rifles or ANY rifle? .243 & .308 are probably more ethical than many on that list - esp at ranges > 100 yds.

The list above is for ANY rifle. I would prefer a .243 or bigger but I don't make the rules and I don't break them. Ohio was shotgun and muzzle loader only until 2014.

I believe the logic for the chosen calibers were less recoil than a shotgun or muzzle loader, with similar range, and potential greater accuracy with reduced recoil and more practice.

Some States' Game Laws require short range or lessor power cartridges in order to "give game a chance." If this causes the injured game to suffer for days b/f dying, that's just tough for them. (Though hunters are "encouraged" to only take "guaranteed" shots. There are even occasional Game Laws that fine hunters for injuring w/o killing the game. Often w attendant loss of firearm and hunting equipment. TX Game Wardens can compel surrender of "gaming" equipment including fishing gear if "Suspected" of breaking any law. The civilian is then required to sue the Dept for return of their Civil Forfeiture property if they wish it returned. There is a GREAT DEAL of personal enrichment that occurs under TX Chap 59.) http://www.statutes.legis.state.tx.us/S ... /CR.59.htm

[king9]

http://wildlife.ohiodnr.gov/hunting-tra ... egulations

I can't believe this is really a law... There are quite a few on there that I don't agree with... wow

[whiterussian1974]

Ohioans are fortunate that they aren't restricted to rocks, sticks and vines for hunting.
Since using modern propellants was only allowed since 2014, I wonder when they'll be allowed to use bottlenecked cartridges? 2035?

[T-Rex]

Are you planning to make this can, yourself?
Are you going to use machined baffles or FP/VR baffles?

If you are a competent machinist, I think you should be able to keep your clearance under .06".

Ks, with a .4-.42 bore, made to fit a 1-1.125 tube will have a profile small enough to allow many to be stacked inside.

Are you planning to SBR the receiver?
This will determine your interface options, between tube and barrel.

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[Wicked]

You may be over-thinking your need to be discrete? I'm located in OH and have been shooting (not hunting) with suppressors for years. At public ranges, DNR ranges, private property, ect. Never any problem. Most law enforcement I encounter is good with it and they actually are interested to talk about your NFA stuff. No one has ever asked to see a stamp, but have it with you just in case. I guarantee that EVERY single ODNR agent knows the new rules. Most law enforcement will be familiar as well.

You won't get the hassle you think you will. It's somewhat like when you first got your CCW permit and thought you had to wear a winter coat everywhere so no one would see your piece. A year later you were wearing T-shirts and nobody paid you any attention. You may have to do some educating as not every hunter you may encounter will know of the new changes. You might get a few 'them ain't legal' hillbillies but the law is on your side and move on if they want to argue it.

If you want an integral to save a stamp, that's one way to look at it. I think it's expensive and limits your options though. But if you must be on the down-low, then it's the best option. I have chopped Handi-rifles in .357 Mag., 45-70 and 500 S&W Mag. at 16.25" and threaded for cans. If you're shooting subs from your 38/357, then any 9mm pistol suppressor screwed on a 16" Handi will work like a champ. It will work great on your pistol as well and pull double duty. Just don't put full house 357's thru it!

p.s. If you really want an integral, Joe at Curtis Tactical does nice work. He can hook you up.

[Slow Hand]

I'm in IN, and we are only slightly past where OH is, apparently. Our legal deer calibers are determined by case dimensions, not Muzzle Energy. I forget the exact dimensions, but its minimum .57 bore and basically what the .357 mag case length is up to what the .460 S&W is; 1.80" I believe. No straight walled restriction, and quite a few wildcats have been developed using the WSSM case as a base, necking them up to .358 bullets. Guys are getting .358 Winchester ballistics while sticking to the letter of the law. I trimmed down .5 Remington cases to be legal, seated the bullets to the same OAL over the same charge as my normal .35 Remington loads and killed a couple of deer totally legally and just fine. We just got suppressor legalized for hunting last year and its looking like they are going to open it up to basically anything over .243 Winchester for next year. If it happens, I"ll happily be using my FNH PBR .308 with my SAS can on it for deer. The big rub, is you can use any caliber you want on coyotes and a handgun must be .243 bore or bigger and no max case length. So, I can hunt deer with a 300 Win Mag in a 14" barreled T/C Encore, but can't use a .0/30 out of a Winchester or Marlin levergun. What sense does that make?!?

[whiterussian1974]

You're expecting laws to make sense?
Come to Houston where our Mayor pushed a "HERO" ordinance through and illegally invalidated the petition that would have put the measure on the ballot.
A person or company that asks men not to use women's restrooms when girls under the age of 13 are present can be fined and their business license revoked. Plus face potencial "Hate Crime" prosecution. All b/c the man may "feel" like a woman that day.

Pride Beats Hate as City Council Passes HERO Ordinance http://www.houstonpress.com/2014-06-05/ ... ston/full/

Houston HEROs speak out for non-discrimination ordinance http://www.glaad.org/blog/houston-heros ... -ordinance

[Historian]

You're expecting laws to make sense?
Come to Houston where our Mayor pushed a "HERO" ordinance through and illegally invalidated the petition that would have put the measure on the ballot.
A person or company that asks men not to use women's restrooms when girls under the age of 13 are present can be fined and their business license revoked. Plus face potencial "Hate Crime" prosecution. All b/c the man may "feel" like a woman that day.

Pride Beats Hate as City Council Passes HERO Ordinance http://www.houstonpress.com/2014-06-05/ ... ston/full/

Houston HEROs speak out for non-discrimination ordinance http://www.glaad.org/blog/houston-heros ... -ordinance

WR, are we living in an alternative universe?

Your reporting of the Mayor's actions classically fit
a special profile which among other things would
warrant searching his computer files for the categories
of his illicit viewing.

Is the mayor's name Humbert Humbert?

Actions by public officials who would put a child in danger like that
would get a 'RED-Alert' spewed out from
the Indications & Warning software analysis.

As has been said during the Darwinian Awards*, nature's call to put chlorine into
the gene pool.




* << https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lc5DNhMxYvk >>

[Historian]

Ohioans are fortunate that they aren't restricted to rocks, sticks and vines for hunting.
Since using modern propellants was only allowed since 2014, I wonder when they'll be allowed to use bottlenecked cartridges? 2035?

Back to to the atlatl.

<< https://hands.unm.edu/atlatls.html >>

Hmm. It is a silent weapon!
So it must be a silencer component.
Where the heck to put the serial number and stamp.