ARES Ruger pistol upper with 40 DB reduction

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ARES Ruger pistol upper with 40 DB reduction

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Good day Gents, just read the article about the new ARES Pistol upper.
Advertised at 40 DB reduction.
Any one here shot one yet?
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Specs
Receiver : Patent Pending Monolithic Design
Caliber : .22LR
Magazine Capacity : Standard Ruger® 10 Round
Weight : 24.3 oz (When mounted on Ruger® 22/45® Frame)
Overall Length : 11”
Barrel Length : 2.5”
Barrel Type : Bentz Match Chamber, Tensioned & Unported, 1/16” RH Twist
Muzzle Velocity : 985 feet per second (CCI Mini-Mag Hollow Point)
Baffle Construction : “Modified” K-Baffle (User Serviceable)
Sound Reduction : Up to 40db
Accessory Interface : Integral MIL-STD 1913 Rails at 12 & 6 o’clock positions
Finish : MIL-A-8625F Type III, Class 2 Hardcoat, Black anodized finish
Origin : 100% Made in the U.S.A.

Text below from Shooting illustrated web.

The STEP-22LS is manufactured with MIL-Spec features, an integral silencer housed within the patent-pending monolithic receiver, and it is designed to interchange with all popular Ruger MK-I, MK II, MK, III and 22/45 pistols with no need for tools or gunsmithing. It features a tensioned 2.5-inch un-ported barrel with match-cut .22LR Bentz chamber and a modified K-baffle construction. The STEP-22LS has a standard Ruger 10-round capacity, an overall length of 11 inches and weighs a dainty 24.3 ounces (when mounted on Ruger 22/45 frame).
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Ooooh that is sweet!

Not sure if the match chamber is a great idea though, sometimes unfired rounds don't want to extract
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That looks good. 40db reduction sounds normal for an integral MKIII I think, that should put it somewhere just over 110db.
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It's too bad it's so damned ugly.
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Maybe the picatinny rails aid in cooling...
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The Bentz chamber is designed for auto-loading .22 rimfire.It increases accuracy and extraction of fired and unfired cases.I don't dislike the looks if the suppression and accuracy are up to snuff.I don't trust numbers until verified and I have seen less than optimal accuracy from some integral pistols in the past.
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From the four holes in the end cap shown in the first picture it seems likely it's just a standard cap - unscrewing it with a pin wrench of some sort and the baffles fall out. Or are pulled out with a hooked tool if too dirty to fall out.

I'd fall on the 'damn that's ugly' side, but appreciate the compactness. Wouldn't want the full length rail at all, too easy to snag on clothing or whatever. A short section of rail near the back would be plenty.
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a_canadian wrote:Wouldn't want the full length rail at all, too easy to snag on clothing or whatever. A short section of rail near the back would be plenty.
I would just run my dot out farther. Makes the body of the optic seem smaller and thus occlude less of your view. Would require an open front holster of some sort.
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quiettime wrote:
I would just run my dot out farther. Makes the body of the optic seem smaller and thus occlude less of your view. Would require an open front holster of some sort.
One of the open front speed holsters would work well with iron sights red dots or a scope.I run a pistol scope on my 10-22 mounted well forward and its very fast in acquiring targets.
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Don't see the point of the cuts on the sides up front, and I want iron sights....but otherwise looks slick I think. I like it better than most of the 22/45 lites I have seen. I think this is the first lite that I really could get excited about buying....probably an arm and a leg.

Any price info released yet?....or was that posted and I missed it?
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Those are style slots. They make it draw faster.
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a_canadian wrote:From the four holes in the end cap shown in the first picture it seems likely it's just a standard cap - unscrewing it with a pin wrench of some sort and the baffles fall out. Or are pulled out with a hooked tool if too dirty to fall out.

I'd fall on the 'damn that's ugly' side, but appreciate the compactness. Wouldn't want the full length rail at all, too easy to snag on clothing or whatever. A short section of rail near the back would be plenty.

I'm mixed on the rail....I like the mounting versatility, but I don't want an optics only pistol......loose the top rail and replace it with a recessed mini reddot mount....and irons....then I would be much happier.......like the slab side look
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Perhaps they're taking the lead from the Judge Dredd wannabe integrally suppressed pistol? All chunky like. That thing's got style slots too!

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But yeah, the full-length rail just seems unnecessarily bulky/fugly. Perhaps a smooth version with bolt-on optics mount location is in the works for those whose tastes don't run to the military-esque Lego look.
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daviscustom wrote:Any price info released yet?....or was that posted and I missed it?
MSRP $699, really not that bad, especially if the street price comes in under six bills

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0101silent wrote:8" tubes instead of short barrels and longer baffle stacks similar to thread on cans? There has to be a good reason.
A longer barrel will consume more of the powder and have more back pressure available to operate the action.Ares also moved the ports away from the chamber or made them smaller given the 975fps speed with mini mags also increasing reliability.My Anfibian required 1000rnds of full power *mil spec ammo to break in with its 2.00 ported barrel @900fps while the Specter with its 5.00 barrel could use standard velocity right out of the box.

*mil spec and CCI mini mags are the same.The Anfibian requires high velocity ammo even when well broken in.The Specter is the most quiet integral I've ever heard.
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0101silent wrote:In this thread from 2010 a few members had success with very short barrels on Mark III's viewtopic.php?t=59405
The Ares Upper would be a similar length to a 2.5" barrel with a Silencerco Sparrow on it. It is theoretically possible for the Ares Upper to be 40db quieter than an unsuppressed 2.5" barrel.
Does anyone know why many builders use longer ported barrels with short baffle stacks and ~8" tubes instead of short barrels and longer baffle stacks similar to thread on cans? There has to be a good reason.

Here's links to bkoski's videos from the 2010 thread: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FQq8uOl ... e=youtu.be
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IFSrLmw ... e=youtu.be
I have done a lot of testing with the Ruger MK's. One of my first designs was to cut the barrel back to 2.25" and have k baffles ahead of that. With this design there were some reliability issues and with certain loads the bullet would destabilize and key hole, I done testing with the suppressor removed as well and got the same results with the destabilization. Our current model is a ported 4" barrel with separate ported chambers which really eliminates any first round pop. Porting is a science in itself, as you remove gas pressure the bullet is still engaged in the rifling creating drag so placement and the amount of ports can change velocity and sound tremendously.
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