80% silencers? Yep, it finally happened! (we have them but under the term "solvent trap" - at least they are honest!

Yes, it can be legal to make a silencer. For everything Form-1, from silencer designs that are easily made, to filing forms with the BATF, to 3D modeling. Remember, you must have an approved BATF Form-1 to make a silencer. All NFA laws apply.

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I pulled the trigger last night on a SOS-22 from Rebel Silencers - at $99, it is the cheapest part of the many taxes and other costs associated with any NFA item like the $200 tax stamp, an NFA transfer fee to my local class III gunstore, etc. I got word it's going to take roughly a month just to transfer from one dealer to another, so I have a bit of time to set up my trust (another $100, roughly. seen gun specific ones as low as $49).

I just got an email from Rebel Silencers a few minutes ago saying they are now also offering their SOS-22 and their SOS Hunter (up to 30 cal. cartridges - ie: 300 Blackout, .308, all the way down to my .223 - it would be perfect (any silencer actually) for my Remington 788 in .243 winchester, with an 18" barrel. That thing is LOUD! Great deer gun though, if you can handle dragging it's weight all over creation. It's definitely not a gun I'd recommend, or take, on say, a sheep hunt, or Elk hunt, or any other hunt with lots of verticals. It's pure magic on Whitetails though - I've never had one go further than a few steps -but again, it is LOUD - and a big fireball in low light. I don't handload so I don't know how to eliminate that, except with perhaps a silencer.

Oh, Rebel is making it doubly attractive by saying that if the Hearing Act is NOT passed and silencers are NOT removed from the NFA list they will either refund your money, or complete the build themselves.

I'll give a review when I get my SOS-22 - keep an eye out for, oh, say a year from now, lol.
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My mistake - I read what I wanted to hear, not what they actually said. They are selling pre-orders for 80% silencers in the event that the HPA passes and becomes law under Trump. Trump has not said anything about it, however, his son has said he is 100% behind it. Call your reps and congressmen and voice your support for the HPA bill - under Obama it had virtually zero chance of passing because he would simply veto it. Since it is a bi-partisan issue and bill, hopefully the day will soon come where protecting my hearing doesn't cost $200 and take a year to use!
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Yeah I have talked with Eric Woodward,
I got the email about this they will only sell if the HPA passes. I think there will be a lot of companies starting this up, if that happens.
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If HPA passes, will silencers still be firearms? I know that in some counties silencers can be bought over the counter. If they aren't NFA items I see no reason for them to be regulated as firearms at all.
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Some states like Texas suppressors are illegal. Just read current Texas weapons Laws

The only thing that makes them legal is that they are registered with the ATF, so passing federal legislation doing away with registration could impact legal state ownership, until state legislation makes them legal.

Just wondering if this would be a problem. Keep in mind HPA is federal.
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Do you have the Texas law that states suppressors are illegal? I'm a little confused that there's a law saying they're illegal but they're legal to hunt with.
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Hard_ware wrote:Some states like Texas suppressors are illegal. Just read current Texas weapons Laws

The only thing that makes them legal is that they are registered with the ATF, so passing federal legislation doing away with registration could impact legal state ownership, until state legislation makes them legal.

Just wondering if this would be a problem. Keep in mind HPA is federal.
God you are dumb.

They are legal and legal to hunt with.

http://tpwd.texas.gov/regulations/outdo ... nd-methods
"Silencers may be used to take any wildlife resource; however, all federal, state and local laws continue to apply."

Go back to sleep.
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joe_crash wrote:My mistake - I read what I wanted to hear, not what they actually said. They are selling pre-orders for 80% silencers in the event that the HPA passes and becomes law under Trump. Trump has not said anything about it, however, his son has said he is 100% behind it. Call your reps and congressmen and voice your support for the HPA bill - under Obama it had virtually zero chance of passing because he would simply veto it. Since it is a bi-partisan issue and bill, hopefully the day will soon come where protecting my hearing doesn't cost $200 and take a year to use!
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ghostdog662 wrote:
Hard_ware wrote:Some states like Texas suppressors are illegal. Just read current Texas weapons Laws

The only thing that makes them legal is that they are registered with the ATF, so passing federal legislation doing away with registration could impact legal state ownership, until state legislation makes them legal.

Just wondering if this would be a problem. Keep in mind HPA is federal.
God you are dumb.

They are legal and legal to hunt with.

http://tpwd.texas.gov/regulations/outdo ... nd-methods
"Silencers may be used to take any wildlife resource; however, all federal, state and local laws continue to apply."

Go back to sleep.
Like I said read Texas weapons laws a$$wipe
For the lazy it's section 46.05
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Bmountt wrote:Do you have the Texas law that states suppressors are illegal? I'm a little confused that there's a law saying they're illegal but they're legal to hunt with.
Yes it's section 46.05. States they are illegal or "prohibited weapons"

But if registered with ATF they are legal stated in previous section.
So if ATF does away with federal registration then what happens till state law catches up?

Am I worried about my suppressors,thermal weapon sights , night vision being seized by the State of Texas.
No I am not, but just pointing out the law.
Not some quote from parks and wildlife that makes them legal to hunt with so the other laws in the Texas penal code does not apply .I have had no problems with local game wardens and have been using them for years.
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Anybody realize that Rebel Supessors is in El Paso TEXAS.
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Suppressors are not illegal in TX.

Sec. 46.05. PROHIBITED WEAPONS. (a) A person commits an offense if the person intentionally or knowingly possesses, manufactures, transports, repairs, or sells:

(1) an explosive weapon;

(2) a machine gun;

(3) a short-barrel firearm;

(4) a firearm silencer;

(5) knuckles;

(6) armor-piercing ammunition;

(7) a chemical dispensing device;

(8) a zip gun; or

(9) a tire deflation device.

(b) It is a defense to prosecution under this section that the actor’s conduct was incidental to the performance of official duty by the armed forces or national guard, a governmental law enforcement agency, or a correctional facility.

(c) It is a defense to prosecution under this section that the actor’s possession was pursuant to registration pursuant to the National Firearms Act, as amended.

So if it was approved a Tax Stamp, then it is gtg.

As far as HPA...

--registration (in accordance with) the National Firearms Act--

If the HPA passes, it states that silencers are to be treated as long guns. Therefore, TX law (which requires you to follow fed law) should still be gtg, due to there being no registration requirement. If you purchase the suppressor, after HPA passes, you'd most likely be registering it when you pick it up from your ffl (if state law required). If you're making it, then you'd be following 80% lower rules, ie. no requirements.


Other than an outright ban, HPA will make suppressors legal, pretty much, in every state.
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According to the American Suppressor Assn., currently there are 8 states that do not allow civilian ownership of suppressors. The HPA would not change those states' laws, but only amend the NFA. The HPA as it's now written would remove suppressors from the regulation of the NFA, eliminate the $200 tax and requirement of registering them with the government. It also states that transfers through FFL dealers would be treated the same as long guns, and require a NICS check. Long guns are not required to be registered under Federal law. Generally, most states' laws allowing the ownership of suppressors have language that includes "lawful possession under Federal law" verbage, making it unnecessary to amend those laws. (Disclaimer: I'm not an attorney, just my understanding of the HPA)
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T-Rex wrote:Suppressors are not illegal in TX.

Sec. 46.05. PROHIBITED WEAPONS. (a) A person commits an offense if the person intentionally or knowingly possesses, manufactures, transports, repairs, or sells:

(1) an explosive weapon;

(2) a machine gun;

(3) a short-barrel firearm;

(4) a firearm silencer;

(5) knuckles;

(6) armor-piercing ammunition;

(7) a chemical dispensing device;

(8) a zip gun; or

(9) a tire deflation device.

(b) It is a defense to prosecution under this section that the actor’s conduct was incidental to the performance of official duty by the armed forces or national guard, a governmental law enforcement agency, or a correctional facility.

(c) It is a defense to prosecution under this section that the actor’s possession was pursuant to registration pursuant to the National Firearms Act, as amended.

So if it was approved a Tax Stamp, then it is gtg.

As far as HPA...

--registration (in accordance with) the National Firearms Act--

If the HPA passes, it states that silencers are to be treated as long guns. Therefore, TX law (which requires you to follow fed law) should still be gtg, due to there being no registration requirement. If you purchase the suppressor, after HPA passes, you'd most likely be registering it when you pick it up from your ffl (if state law required). If you're making it, then you'd be following 80% lower rules, ie. no requirements.


Other than an outright ban, HPA will make suppressors legal, pretty much, in every state.
Section c was removed in 2015, look up current Texas penal codes if you want to confirm this.

Under current law it is not a defense to prosecution, but even better
It's not an offense to begin with if registered with atf, if not registered it is an offense.

A defense to prosecution defense, means you can be arrested your property confiscated and you have to make bail or sit in jail, then can plead your case against prosecution when you go to trial and judge will say you are right and let you go. But as any officer knows YOU didn't beat the ride :lol:

Law was changed to avoid this, by being registered with atf no offense is/was committed, so officer has no right to detain or confiscate firearm silencer.

Better to know the law or at least the judge
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Hard_ware wrote:Section c was removed in 2015, look up current Texas penal codes if you want to confirm this.

Under current law it is not a defense to prosecution, but even better
It's not an offense to begin with if registered with atf, if not registered it is an offense.

A defense to prosecution defense, means you can be arrested your property confiscated and you have to make bail or sit in jail, then can plead your case against prosecution when you go to trial and judge will say you are right and let you go. But as any officer knows YOU didn't beat the ride :lol:

Law was changed to avoid this, by being registered with atf no offense is/was committed, so officer has no right to detain or confiscate firearm silencer.

Better to know the law or at least the judge

Truth! Here is the current verbiage for TX 46.05:

Sec. 46.05. PROHIBITED WEAPONS. (a) A person commits an offense if the person intentionally or knowingly possesses, manufactures, transports, repairs, or sells:

(1) any of the following items, unless the item is registered in the National Firearms Registration and Transfer Record maintained by the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives or classified as a curio or relic by the United States Department of Justice:

(A) an explosive weapon;

(B) a machine gun;

(C) a short-barrel firearm; or

(D) a firearm silencer;


(2) knuckles;

(3) armor-piercing ammunition;

(4) a chemical dispensing device;

(5) a zip gun; or

(6) a tire deflation device.

(b) It is a defense to prosecution under this section that the actor's conduct was incidental to the performance of official duty by the armed forces or national guard, a governmental law enforcement agency, or a correctional facility.

(c) Repealed by Acts 2015, 84th Leg., R.S., Ch. 69 , Sec. 2, eff. September 1, 2015.

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Forgive me as I do not live in TX. My search should have been the most up to date laws, I guess google failed me. The newer law is an obvious win.

I didn't mean to imply that the HPA would overrule current state laws. There's a few I know it would help, but I know others word it to clearly ban silencers.
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Just hope it passes, and then making sure State laws to fall in line.

Being able to make suppressors with no paperwork or waiting would be Great!

Make all the toys to lower the noise, and no worries about tweaking the parts for best results and pitching the old ones.
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