ATF white paper recommending removal of suppressors from NFA

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ATF white paper recommending removal of suppressors from NFA

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Re: ATF white paper recommending removal of suppressors from NFA

Post by doubloon » Mon Feb 13, 2017 10:59 pm

I've seen it linked elsewhere but haven't read through the whole thing.

There's a lot more in there than silencers.

Some have suggested just go ahead with the act of congress to get it changed and that way the ATF can't waffle backward using lightweight regulation changes under the next administration.
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Post by T-Rex » Tue Feb 14, 2017 9:43 am

doubloon wrote: congress
^^This is my vote.

Let's get a solid law/regulation change. It will, at the least, make my dog feel safer :)
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Re: ATF white paper recommending removal of suppressors from NFA

Post by Hard_ware » Tue Feb 14, 2017 10:19 am

I think that's what is intended, just ATF agrees so no battle from them.

Time might come when the little guy CAN make prototype CAN's :lol: .

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Post by ranb » Wed Feb 15, 2017 10:15 pm

You can read the actual white letter here; http://apps.washingtonpost.com/g/docume ... ions/2325/

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Re: ATF white paper recommending removal of suppressors from NFA

Post by whiterussian1974 » Thu Feb 16, 2017 12:56 pm

T-Rex wrote:
doubloon wrote: congress
^^This is my vote.
Let's get a solid law/regulation change. It will, at the least, make my dog feel safer :)
My vote too. Dogs are pretty smart fellas. :mrgreen:

I posted on another Site, that ATF and DoJ need to codify the change to Regs by publishing in CFR. Then, Congress needs to repeal/alter NFA and Hughes Amend. A Fed Administrative Law Judge needs to review and approve any changes to solidify the legitimacy as a bulwark against future challenges and Exec Orders/"Changes in Interpretations."
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Isn;t this a "Legal and Political" type Topic? Seems more appropriate.

In fact, here is the link: viewtopic.php?f=75&t=137630
Is this for real, wiki leak or just fake news, ATF letter?
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whiterussian1974 wrote:Then, Congress needs to repeal/alter NFA and Hughes Amend.
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Re: ATF white paper recommending removal of suppressors from NFA

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whiterussian1974 wrote:
T-Rex wrote:
doubloon wrote: congress
^^This is my vote.
Let's get a solid law/regulation change. It will, at the least, make my dog feel safer :)
My vote too. Dogs are pretty smart fellas. :mrgreen:


Suppressors have preserved not only mine but my dogs hearing too! While this may be a minor point for some its pretty hard to train a dog to wear muffs! Those with suppressors have happier dogs. Those with suppressors have happier horses. Those with suppressors have happier neighbors.

The ownership of a suppressor is a exercise in consideration.

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Post by fishman » Thu Feb 16, 2017 11:21 pm

colorado1 wrote:
whiterussian1974 wrote:
T-Rex wrote:^^This is my vote.
Let's get a solid law/regulation change. It will, at the least, make my dog feel safer :)
My vote too. Dogs are pretty smart fellas. :mrgreen:


Suppressors have preserved not only mine but my dogs hearing too! While this may be a minor point for some its pretty hard to train a dog to wear muffs! Those with suppressors have happier dogs. Those with suppressors have happier horses. Those with suppressors have happier neighbors.

The ownership of a suppressor is a exercise in consideration.
Ive heard that in certain European countries, shooting unsuppressed is considered very rude
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Post by whiterussian1974 » Fri Feb 17, 2017 7:13 am

fishman wrote:Ive heard that in certain European countries, shooting unsuppressed is considered very rude
Noise violations in Restricted Areas are a criminal Offense, usually only ticketed. But Livestock owners can sue for startling the animals, which "may result in lowered output." Eggs, milk, offspring, etc.
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Re: ATF white paper recommending removal of suppressors from NFA

Post by doubloon » Fri Feb 17, 2017 10:06 am

whiterussian1974 wrote:
fishman wrote:Ive heard that in certain European countries, shooting unsuppressed is considered very rude
Noise violations in Restricted Areas are a criminal Offense, usually only ticketed. But Livestock owners can sue for startling the animals, which "may result in lowered output." Eggs, milk, offspring, etc.
Yep.

Noise abatement, moderators, mufflers, suppressors required by law in many locations.

They've had suppressed shotguns available on the shelves for years.

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