Modeling supressors
Modeling supressors
Hi guys.
I'm Eugene from Hamond LTD ( www.hamondrifle.com), located in Ukraine .
We have a small-scale silencers production, as well as develop new designs.
We offer our help to anyone who wants to try himself in improving the efficiency of silencers.
For these purposes, the topic has been started in Russian forum, but moderators have deleted
it and continue to remove over and over, for unknown reasons. Everyone can read the entire archive
of deleted messages over there: http://guns.allzip.org/topic/117/1951739.html
I suppose, such information can be interesting for the participants of your forum, so I would prefer to duplicate
our activities here. http://forum.guns.ru/forummessage/117/2038452.html
I would like to start the discussion of silencers improve, to allow you to test your
ideas with the (absolutely free) assistance of our experience. We ask only one thing - tolerance
to our poor English.
a few examples of well-known models
https://youtu.be/RIUZeCGGQeg
https://youtu.be/7P4z-V3m-es
https://youtu.be/M_zg02jZUmU
https://youtu.be/98ZpJpsWyGM
few examples that model the guys
https://youtu.be/YJs2fL6h-Tw
https://youtu.be/HzXCyhIgDt8
https://youtu.be/Yzk7bOAWdOs
I'm Eugene from Hamond LTD ( www.hamondrifle.com), located in Ukraine .
We have a small-scale silencers production, as well as develop new designs.
We offer our help to anyone who wants to try himself in improving the efficiency of silencers.
For these purposes, the topic has been started in Russian forum, but moderators have deleted
it and continue to remove over and over, for unknown reasons. Everyone can read the entire archive
of deleted messages over there: http://guns.allzip.org/topic/117/1951739.html
I suppose, such information can be interesting for the participants of your forum, so I would prefer to duplicate
our activities here. http://forum.guns.ru/forummessage/117/2038452.html
I would like to start the discussion of silencers improve, to allow you to test your
ideas with the (absolutely free) assistance of our experience. We ask only one thing - tolerance
to our poor English.
a few examples of well-known models
https://youtu.be/RIUZeCGGQeg
https://youtu.be/7P4z-V3m-es
https://youtu.be/M_zg02jZUmU
https://youtu.be/98ZpJpsWyGM
few examples that model the guys
https://youtu.be/YJs2fL6h-Tw
https://youtu.be/HzXCyhIgDt8
https://youtu.be/Yzk7bOAWdOs
Re: Modeling supressors
http://forum.guns.ru/forummessage/30/977372-8.html
author Serj777 model Test 5
https://youtu.be/mlAW46owUNo
https://youtu.be/hNcGtLpfr-M
author Serj777 model Test 5
https://youtu.be/mlAW46owUNo
https://youtu.be/hNcGtLpfr-M
Last edited by Hamond on Tue Mar 14, 2017 3:49 am, edited 3 times in total.
Re: Modeling supressors
This is very cool. I'd love to see one of my designs modeled like this. What type of computer file would you need from me in order to test it?
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Hi.
We need STEP format files. if you have any problem whit STEP give me know. Send yours model on my mail [email protected]
We need STEP format files. if you have any problem whit STEP give me know. Send yours model on my mail [email protected]
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alright i sent itHamond wrote:Hi.
We need STEP format files. if you have any problem whit STEP give me know. Send yours model on my mail [email protected]
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Re: Modeling supressors
Sig 516 - Magpul UBR, CCA Side Mount Bipod, Velocity 4lb Trigger, SDTA Brake, Vortex Strike Eagle
Form 1 - .223cal 6" Titanium Can
Form 1 - 9mm Full Size K Can and 9mm Cone Micro Can
Form 1 - .223cal 6" Titanium Can
Form 1 - 9mm Full Size K Can and 9mm Cone Micro Can
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I sent you three of mine. Thanks
Sig 516 - Magpul UBR, CCA Side Mount Bipod, Velocity 4lb Trigger, SDTA Brake, Vortex Strike Eagle
Form 1 - .223cal 6" Titanium Can
Form 1 - 9mm Full Size K Can and 9mm Cone Micro Can
Form 1 - .223cal 6" Titanium Can
Form 1 - 9mm Full Size K Can and 9mm Cone Micro Can
Re: Modeling supressors
This is a very impressive design. I look forward to seeing it modeled.serg-pl wrote:
Sig 516 - Magpul UBR, CCA Side Mount Bipod, Velocity 4lb Trigger, SDTA Brake, Vortex Strike Eagle
Form 1 - .223cal 6" Titanium Can
Form 1 - 9mm Full Size K Can and 9mm Cone Micro Can
Form 1 - .223cal 6" Titanium Can
Form 1 - 9mm Full Size K Can and 9mm Cone Micro Can
Re: Modeling supressors
we did before the results of such a design, they can be seen hereserg-pl wrote:This is a very impressive design. I look forward to seeing it modeled.
previous model
https://youtu.be/YJs2fL6h-Tw
https://youtu.be/0POFHR0PYuw
https://youtu.be/33iEGBWYg0w
https://youtu.be/sfT6SREVH7U
and earlier models
https://youtu.be/HEWMrWN447c
https://youtu.be/mMd4OXkAsjA
https://youtu.be/iWMMFPkWLlY
https://youtu.be/4wapWZnsz5Q
https://youtu.be/69p1Tto_vkA
https://youtu.be/4Meowf-8nzI
https://youtu.be/W_GN33lnix8
https://youtu.be/W_GN33lnix8
https://youtu.be/ViVWfZn2tDs
you can check out our YouTube channel for links http://guns.allzip.org/topic/117/1951739.html, so you'll find more videos
Rich93ds, we have not been able to convert your model to calculate. serg-pl is still trying. if he fails, he will make new ones.
Your model is too simple and not very interesting, we made the calculation that they would meet your interest and hope to see something more complex in the future.
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Impressive, looks like it can only be made by 3D printing. Or a lot of machine hours and welding.serg-pl wrote:
Gunny
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To not require 3D printer, images baffleImpressive, looks like it can only be made by 3D printing. Or a lot of machine hours and welding.
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Re: Modeling supressors
Id like to see how this test with the flow the opposite directionHamond wrote:http://forum.guns.ru/forummessage/30/977372-8.html
author Serj777 model Test 5
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https://youtu.be/mlAW46owUNo
https://youtu.be/hNcGtLpfr-M
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Re: Modeling supressors
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At this stage we are looking for optimal solutions to the gas flow. Some decisions go further, others are discarded. We will think about technological solutions when we get a good reduction in the output speedgunny50 wrote:Impressive, looks like it can only be made by 3D printing. Or a lot of machine hours and welding.serg-pl wrote:
Gunny
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Cant see any of the images. is it me or something else?
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It's not just you. There were some images here earlier. But I figured it may have something to do with being located in Ukraine.mr fixit wrote:Cant see any of the images. is it me or something else?
I don't care what your chart says
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Reload the page helps me.mr fixit wrote:Cant see any of the images. is it me or something else?
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sergpl images are horked but sometimes a reload does helpmr fixit wrote:Cant see any of the images. is it me or something else?
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Re: Modeling supressors
On review of this design
I think the "snout", at the baffle's entrance, is going to hurt your intended cross-flow into the coaxial chamber. Also, the cut, allowing entrance to the coaxial volume, seems too large. Yes, you want gas to get in there, but you want to make it difficult to leave. A smaller hole is ok because it will have the aid of higher pressure, along with the cross-flow jet, forcing it into this area. Once the gas has entered and expanded the lower pressure will make it more difficult to escape a smaller orifice.
The blast cone should do a nice job of allowing the initial impulse to expand, while limiting the amount of gas following the projectile.
This design would use a smaller OD tube than the other one, which shows a much larger coaxial chamber for the length of the suppressor. Obviously, the sheer volume of the added coaxial chamber should be sufficient enough to make the same design yield a greater dB reduction. This, however, does not lend to an efficient baffle design, at least not necessarily so.
That's my $.02
I think the "snout", at the baffle's entrance, is going to hurt your intended cross-flow into the coaxial chamber. Also, the cut, allowing entrance to the coaxial volume, seems too large. Yes, you want gas to get in there, but you want to make it difficult to leave. A smaller hole is ok because it will have the aid of higher pressure, along with the cross-flow jet, forcing it into this area. Once the gas has entered and expanded the lower pressure will make it more difficult to escape a smaller orifice.
The blast cone should do a nice job of allowing the initial impulse to expand, while limiting the amount of gas following the projectile.
This design would use a smaller OD tube than the other one, which shows a much larger coaxial chamber for the length of the suppressor. Obviously, the sheer volume of the added coaxial chamber should be sufficient enough to make the same design yield a greater dB reduction. This, however, does not lend to an efficient baffle design, at least not necessarily so.
That's my $.02
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Re: Modeling supressors
I had little time but managed to make one simulation
Have patience, we now have a lot of work. As soon as the opportunity appears I will do the rest of the simulation
silencer with element K-Baffle modified by Hamond
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https://youtu.be/gPoxvhRph5s
https://youtu.be/GmA9W7IR0p0
https://youtu.be/5c5U_tC9Um8
In the future, we will simulate this model without the first cone.
Have patience, we now have a lot of work. As soon as the opportunity appears I will do the rest of the simulation
silencer with element K-Baffle modified by Hamond
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https://youtu.be/EQdB8zcvcRw
https://youtu.be/hhseUr59k5w
https://youtu.be/gPoxvhRph5s
https://youtu.be/GmA9W7IR0p0
https://youtu.be/5c5U_tC9Um8
In the future, we will simulate this model without the first cone.
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Finally we had little time for modeling
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