The Best Cone design

[propeine]

John, You make many good points in your last reply. While I dont agree with some I respect your opinion to choose as you see fit. One comment I have is I would expect any can with a tube 1.625 od x approx 14" long to perform well on subs as the leonidas.

Your made many of the same points in your first reply then turned it into a personal attack. Why, because I have a different opinion than you.? You perceive my opinion as negativity simply because I have a different opinion. I don't know why you feel threatened or the need to be right but everyone can have an opinion even if they dont align with yours.

More than likely people are responding to your dick swinging attitude for someone else's product. Nobody is "threatened" hell most of us don't even have skin in the game since we make our own stuff.

More than half your posts are about this "nevah been dun" before cone. Are you a paid promoter? Literally title of "best cone", posts of: K baffles are a step above freeze plugs, why use an asymmetrical clip? You came in and trashed 30 years of experience because your opinion is that this is the best thing since sliced bread. You are entitled to your opinion but having standardized data to back it up would shut up the naysayers in a real hurry. I HOPE that this is the next breakthrough in suppressor technology. I hope its patented and Rusty makes millions! I appreciate guys working for the community! You can bet that many of us have doubts though.

I was dumbfounded on Saturday by Thunderbeast's take down 22lr can. It was NIGHT AND DAY on a pistol compared to 4 other suppressors. On rifles there was little difference but that can on a 4" pistol blew everything else out of the water. So it does happen. People do just get it right sometimes. I'm not saying you or Rusty is wrong your attitude about it is just abrasive.

Yes Liberty has a huge volume advantage. Whitt Machine also makes an integral for a bolt gun that has a huge volume advantage and is also extremely quiet.

I can put you or Rusty in contact with someone that can test to the mil spec standard in the exact same manner that he's tested close to 100 other suppressors. This is independent testing. Just let me know.

[Bah21963]

No, I'm not threatened by you. Nor have I made personal attacks or threats against you.

Where do you feel that I was attacking you?

We can go PM if you prefer ??????

I never said you threatened me in ant way. Perhaps your comments that I was only here to shill for Rusty or post negativey about something different were simply meant as derogatory comments toward me. Still inappropriate imho.

[a_canadian]

I never said you threatened me...

And a bit earlier:

I don't know why you feel threatened...

Gosh, this is really degenerating. Perhaps you ought to consider paying attention not only to what others say, but to your own words. You suggested that others here feel threatened. John responded to that saying he didn't feel threatened. You proceeded to twist his words as if he'd suggested you made a threat towards him. What is your purpose, if this is not sheer blindness on your part? You've only been here a week or so but this is at least the second time you've blatantly misrepresented what other members have said.

Perhaps you ought to slow down a little, work on your reading comprehension, while also backing off on the 'Rusty is making the holy grail of baffles' pitch. A well executed K baffle has been established as among the the most efficient for raw suppression, perhaps the best, and when arranged correctly there can be little to no POI shift inherent. I know this from many postings regarding such setups, as well as from several K baffle suppressors I've made for airguns, in which cases there has been zero POI difference between unsuppressed and suppressed fire while report noise has been reduced by orders of magnitude. Take propeine up on the offer for formal and properly metered testing of one of these miraculous cans. Settle the question empirically. Perhaps see if Rusty is as boastful regarding his own work as you have been, asking him if he'll join here and post his own test comparisons.

[Bah21963]

I never said you threatened me...

And a bit earlier:

I don't know why you feel threatened...

Gosh, this is really degenerating. Perhaps you ought to consider paying attention not only to what others say, but to your own words. You suggested that others here feel threatened. John responded to that saying he didn't feel threatened. You proceeded to twist his words as if he'd suggested you made a threat towards him. What is your purpose, if this is not sheer blindness on your part? You've only been here a week or so but this is at least the second time you've blatantly misrepresented what other members have said.

perhaps you should go back read the post again and there has not been anything missing represented except for you taking it out of context or not reading the complete sentence.

Perhaps you ought to slow down a little, work on your reading comprehension, while also backing off on the 'Rusty is making the holy grail of baffles' pitch. A well executed K baffle has been established as among the the most efficient for raw suppression, perhaps the best, and when arranged correctly there can be little to no POI shift inherent. I know this from many postings regarding such setups, as well as from several K baffle suppressors I've made for airguns, in which cases there has been zero POI difference between unsuppressed and suppressed fire while report noise has been reduced by orders of magnitude. Take propeine up on the offer for formal and properly metered testing of one of these miraculous cans. Settle the question empirically. Perhaps see if Rusty is as boastful regarding his own work as you have been, asking him if he'll join here and post his own test comparisons.

[a_canadian]

perhaps you should go back read the post again and there has not been anything missing represented except for you taking it out of context or not reading the complete sentence.

The complete sentence. Okay:

I never said you threatened me in ant way.

So leaving the obvious spelling error aside, what did I misread in this sentence?

I took it out of context? How? You go on in that brief paragraph to explain how you are the victim in this exchange seems not to add any context which makes your obvious disregard for what was said to you understandable.

You have a number of times stated that Rusty's cones make a superior or even the best silencer now available, but offer no substantiation, only a windy test video shot in isolation with no direct comparison to any commercial can. You have stated that K baffles are 'old' and 'antiquated' - however, redundancy does not prove a point, metering does.

[John A.]

No, I'm not threatened by you. Nor have I made personal attacks or threats against you.

Where do you feel that I was attacking you?

We can go PM if you prefer ??????

I never said you threatened me in ant way. Perhaps your comments that I was only here to shill for Rusty or post negativey about something different were simply meant as derogatory comments toward me. Still inappropriate imho.

You need to go back over the topic.

I didn't say you were here to shill anything. Until I wrote it in the previous sentence is the first time I recall ever using that word in my life.

I said it seemed like you had a mighty big man crush on him and most of your posts referred to them in one form or another. Those are the most harsh words that I have used in this whole topic. And I have went out of my way to show you that there are better designs out there.

I kind of expect that you may be new to suppressors, maybe that's your first or only build or experience with them. And if so, I'm sure you're proud of how it turned out. I'm not faulting you for that.

Hell, I applaud you for taking the initiative and the effort to own a can.

Not to put you down. But to maybe open your eyes to the bigger picture (which I even said). And even different processes to get there.

If you like those solvent cups, that really is fine by me. It's not hurting my feelings. I sincerely care less.

I have done literally close to 17 years of research on every single piece of material I could find and scouring more patent schematics than I care to count and even had several in depth discussions and conversations with some big time names in the industry in an effort to learn what I can and done a ton of trial and error on my own and actually took the initiative to do as much as I can and applied that to my designs.

Yes, the S at the end of design is plural meaning more than one and I am proud of each of them.

I tried to point out some things in an effort to help you maybe learn something that you don't seem to be aware of. It's up to you what you want to do with it.

This is one of those "lead a horse to water" moments. It's up to you what you do with it.

I have no reason to further comment in the topic nor desire to respond to you.

Good day.

[Bah21963]

perhaps you should go back read the post again and there has not been anything missing represented except for you taking it out of context or not reading the complete sentence.

The complete sentence. Okay:

I never said you threatened me in ant way.

So leaving the obvious spelling error aside, what did I misread in this sentence?

I took it out of context? How? You go on in that brief paragraph to explain how you are the victim in this exchange seems not to add any context which makes your obvious disregard for what was said to you understandable.

You have a number of times stated that Rusty's cones make a superior or even the best silencer now available, but offer no substantiation, only a windy test video shot in isolation with no direct comparison to any commercial can. You have stated that K baffles are 'old' and 'antiquated' - however, redundancy does not prove a point, metering does.

John stated "Nor have I made personal attacks or threats against you." I responded "I never said you threatened me in ant way" typo included shouldn't be confusing.

I did ask Rusty to join and post but he decloned due to time constraints so I asked him to post a comparison to a commercial can which he did today in the vendor section.

[Bah21963]

John. I completely agree it's time to drop this. I can agree how it would seem I was pushing the rsc a little hard without data to back it up.

I have been a machinst for 30 years and an 07/02 for 13 years and have built too many cans to count using the typical components and filled up buckets of trial and errors including many monocore. When I contacted Rusty he sent me some of his rsc. I am building a can now and will post a comparison video when done to a commercial can.

[0101silent]

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[mcrump]

I did a quick search and can't find any detailed threads about the rusty cones.

Lots of mention of it, but not much other than that.

There are pictures and links in the general section tutorial sticky at the top.

So where is the "General" section at the top?

[T-Rex]

Here's the "General" section.
Build using the RSC here