The NAPPA Fuel Filter Silencer.

Yes, it can be legal to make a silencer. For everything Form-1, from silencer designs that are easily made, to filing forms with the BATF, to 3D modeling. Remember, you must have an approved BATF Form-1 to make a silencer. All NFA laws apply.

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Post by tjoslin53 » Sat Nov 24, 2018 12:54 am

Hey all! I was hoping that someone on hear could answer one question for me that seems to be unknown to everyone I have asked to date. Here it goes, what is the thread size/pattern on the NAPPA 4003 Fuel Filter? Wait, NOT and I SAY again, NOT the 3/4" threads the fuel lines screw into, but the threads on the tube itself? You can buy from many sellers the end caps for the NAPPA tubes but even they not seem to know, China! Well, any help with this would be greatly appreciated.

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Post by poikilotrm » Sat Nov 24, 2018 2:00 am

Go buy one and find out.
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Post by alordnapa » Sun Nov 25, 2018 3:21 pm

poikilotrm wrote:Go buy one and find out.
Dude, Harsh!

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Post by a_canadian » Sun Nov 25, 2018 3:30 pm

Maybe a bit harsh... but then again, considering they start at around $25 on eBay it kind of makes sense to just buy one and measure it.

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Post by poikilotrm » Sun Nov 25, 2018 4:22 pm

Not harsh. The simple, best method is the most direct in this case. Plus, most of us get our stuff legally, and get excellent quality cans. We typically don’t screw around with Bubba crap. Lastly, the whole oil filter thing is just a hair away from illegality, and I am not interested in helping a potential felon.

Or a cop... :|
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Post by a_canadian » Sun Nov 25, 2018 4:42 pm

Yeah, there's a chance his intentions aren't legitimate. But it's just a tube with end caps. And decent quality for rimfire. Nothing illegal or even shady about buying such a thing. Those baffle kits on eBay are a different matter...

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Post by ECCO Machine » Sun Nov 25, 2018 5:20 pm

a_canadian wrote:Maybe a bit harsh... but then again, considering they start at around $25 on eBay it kind of makes sense to just buy one and measure it.
Not even $25.

https://www.ebay.com/itm/Fits-4003-2400 ... 0677.m4598
a_canadian wrote:Yeah, there's a chance his intentions aren't legitimate. But it's just a tube with end caps. And decent quality for rimfire. Nothing illegal or even shady about buying such a thing. Those baffle kits on eBay are a different matter...
A tube with a hole through the front cap attached to a firearm is legally a silencer, internals or not. ATF doesn't even care if it actually reduces the report; unless it has been submitted, reviewed and determined otherwise by FTB such as flash cans, it's a silencer.
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Post by DKDravis » Wed Nov 28, 2018 1:46 pm

Each time I read thes threads on "DIY-silencers" made from a variety of "Legal" parts, I am lost for words... Why is it that in the US of A, supposed to be the "land of the free" "silencers" are seen a such a problem, banned, vilified and taxed beyond any reasonable price, not to speak of the 3/4 year waiting periods for ATF "forms" .. How com this can not be changed?? You now have had a republican "hothead president" in office for around 2 years one that all the "gun owners" take credit for voting in, still NO progress .. :?

I my country, one that is called both "communist" and "running failed socialism" AND compared rather unfairly to communist dictatorships in South America, we worked and lobbied for about 6- 8 years, and now anyone with a hunting license and a rifle permit can own all the "silencers" he would like to .. :mrgreen: :lol: Sure... you need to apply for a license for the thing, and wait for maybe 3 weeks, before picking it up at the shop .. BUT: the license is FREE! :lol: AND you do not need a serial number on the can, nor do you need to state the caliber -- one of my permits reads: Calibre: "up to 9,5 mm" Manufacture "A-Tec" Serial no: ---------- (none) :mrgreen:

You DO have to ask yourself what good this type of registration really is, but it probably satisfies the EU bureaucrats and the like :lol: :lol:
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Post by alordnapa » Wed Nov 28, 2018 2:43 pm

That whole, "Land of the Free, home of the brave" thing is just part of a song written by a lawyer. It is not intended to suggest that Americans actually enjoy "Rights" other than those granted by our Feral Government. ( Lawyers say a lot of things, few write songs, but please note, that as a good legal professional, he stole the tune from the English, without offering royalties...)
America did not really have much in the way of firearms laws until after our "Civil War" ( Technically, our Revolution was a Civil War, and the "Civil War' was a war of attempted succession) The Northern and Southern Democrats were miffed because we Republicans took their Slaves away. They had to pass laws to prevent those pesky black rapscallions from bearing arms, and in the areas were Black Folks live in high numbers, the racist, anti-Rights Democrats still have anti-American, and unconstitutional gun laws in greater numbers and with more drastic punishments. Of course, these "democratic" policies are now growing like a herpes epidemic, even in the most conservative of States.

The Laws under discussion, the "National Firearms Act" came about primarily as a result of Organized Crime resulting from Democrats banning alcohol, and then profiting from its illegal distribution, in much the same way they profit from the current "war on drugs". The Kennedy family became wealthy and powerful beyond measure by illegal trafficking. Democrats made automatic weapons, suppressors, illegal etc, under the pretext of fighting against crime. a tactic still in popular use, and as always, just as ineffective.

It is not surprising that attempts to legalize silencers ( Hey, that's what Hiram called them brothers!) or just remove them from the jurisdiction of the NFA, have failed. As far as I know, no Firearms laws have ever been liberalized in America, even, and perhaps especially if, those laws have been found to be unconstitutional by the Supreme Court. Its important to remember that Stare Decisis is not a real thing: Law interpretation only exists until some later court changes it. Our Supreme Court, the Wise Masters of Yunkai, have in the past been totally okay with Slavery, extra-judicial execution, rounding up Japanese-Americans and throwing them into concentration, er, strike that, "Happy" camps. One of the last major Supreme Court decisions, Roe V Wade, was determined by the light of the moon...

Our Constitution is written in language so clear, that only a Lawyer can misunderstand it. They should stick to writing songs. I put these things so clearly, because I deduce that you are not an American, and that like BREXIT, the laws of the land of America are incomprehensible to those outside, or those possessing common sense. I hope my fellow Americans will tolerate these moments of clarity.

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Post by ECCO Machine » Wed Nov 28, 2018 3:13 pm

DKDravis wrote:Each time I read thes threads on "DIY-silencers" made from a variety of "Legal" parts, I am lost for words... Why is it that in the US of A, supposed to be the "land of the free" "silencers" are seen a such a problem, banned, vilified and taxed beyond any reasonable price, not to speak of the 3/4 year waiting periods for ATF "forms" .. How com this can not be changed?? You now have had a republican "hothead president" in office for around 2 years one that all the "gun owners" take credit for voting in, still NO progress .. :?

I my country, one that is called both "communist" and "running failed socialism" AND compared rather unfairly to communist dictatorships in South America, we worked and lobbied for about 6- 8 years, and now anyone with a hunting license and a rifle permit can own all the "silencers" he would like to .. :mrgreen: :lol: Sure... you need to apply for a license for the thing, and wait for maybe 3 weeks, before picking it up at the shop .. BUT: the license is FREE! :lol: AND you do not need a serial number on the can, nor do you need to state the caliber -- one of my permits reads: Calibre: "up to 9,5 mm" Manufacture "A-Tec" Serial no: ---------- (none) :mrgreen:

You DO have to ask yourself what good this type of registration really is, but it probably satisfies the EU bureaucrats and the like :lol: :lol:
3 to 4 year waits? No. 2-3 weeks on form 1, 4-12 months on form 4.

Trump, whatever you think of him, has done a lot more for this country in those 2 years than any other president in one or both full terms for the better part of a century. But eliminating NFA in part or in whole is not a top priority for the administration or congress. It would be nice, but we have more pressing issues.

As for NFA, it existed long before the EU. I don't agree with one word of the act, but it was hardly done to placate our "betters" across the pond.

I don't think you really want to start a comparison of gun rights between the USA and any other country; we don't need that "hunting license" followed by "rifle permit" to own the host weapon.
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Post by fishman » Wed Nov 28, 2018 3:32 pm

the 3/4 year waiting periods
3 to 4 year waits?
fractions are hard
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Post by a_canadian » Wed Nov 28, 2018 4:21 pm

fishman wrote:
the 3/4 year waiting periods
3 to 4 year waits?
fractions are hard
Considering you guys never went metric... I'd expect an American to find fractions less a challenge. :roll:

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Post by alordnapa » Wed Nov 28, 2018 4:29 pm

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fishman wrote:
the 3/4 year waiting periods
3 to 4 year waits?
fractions are hard
Considering you guys never went metric... I'd expect an American to find fractions less a challenge. :roll:
We are kind of Bi-Metric...we swing both ways. Public schools have their own version of "New Math" and fractions ( As well as telling time via an analog clock) are viewed as being kind of anachronistic. Of course, I am a "Glass .5 (decimal-five) full kind of guy. Most engineers and scientists speak Metric as a second language.

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Post by ECCO Machine » Wed Nov 28, 2018 5:15 pm

a_canadian wrote:
fishman wrote:fractions are hard
Considering you guys never went metric... I'd expect an American to find fractions less a challenge. :roll:
And I expect people to use common, sensible denotations for time when they wish to be understood. "/" confuses matters when used in a peculiar context. Normal lexicon would be 9 months. Would you ever describe a pregnant woman as being 1/4 along? If you did, I guarantee people would not generally assume 3 months. They'd look at you cross eyed while trying to figure how many weeks one-fourth of 9 months amounts to. There are certain contexts where quarter denotation is normal and clearly understood, like "three quarters straight" or "2nd quarter" to describe a period during which financial gains or losses occurred. Otherwise, there are lots of ways that handy little piece of punctuation is used where it does not denote fractions/divison. (<<<<see what I did there? :wink: )

But don't take my word for it; consult Websters

a mark / used typically to denote "or" (as in and/or), "and or" (as in straggler/deserter), or "per" (as in feet/second)

We also have fonts that will take away any ambiguity: ¾
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Post by DKDravis » Wed Nov 28, 2018 5:26 pm

I completely agree that owning the "host weapon" is extremely restricted in my country, in contrast to the US, no discussion there, the difference is, that we have not EVER known any "freedom to bear arms" That has always been a "priviledge" granted by the government to the citizens. The government has changed from outright "Rule by divine right" by the kings/queens to a slightly dysfunctional representative Democracy - the rules have changed very little in 250 years+
Gun ownership was not restricted as such up until the 2. world war, except for handguns, which were outright banned in the late 1800's and remained so for "civilians" until 1962 if I remember correctly- :| "banned" just meant that you had to go to the local police and get a permit, and had to provide a good reason to own a handgun, it was routinely given to Civil engineers, forresters, Game wardens and proffessional hunters, and members of "servcicemens shooting clubs" such as the Police marksman team club, The military Pistol club team members e.t.c. - ordinary citizens with no affiliation to Armed forces or LE would have to put together a very persuasive argument to get a handgun permit. One of my ancestors was a Geologist and Prospector who worked in Greenland and on Svalbard, he was given a permit for a 45LC Flattop Blackhawk. (Polar bears, you know!!) This gun was put in storage at a dealers, completely unfired, still in its original packaging in 1982, it never went with him to either Greenland or Svalbard. It still sits at the dealers, waiting for me to get a permit for it, now that the rules have changed and we can own larger calibers than .357/9mm (Another point we spent more than 10 years lobbying to have changed, and we succeded! :D )
Up until the 1930-ies hunting rifles needed no licence or permit, but you were obliged to register ownership with the local police after 1930, which "ze germans" took advantage of when occupying the country from 1940 - 45 .. They had the police confiscate all centrefire rifles (which were the only ones you were required to register) Shotguns required nothing but 18 years of age to own or buy until 1986 .. no registration until 1995 i think it was, but you were required to register them with the police. .22 cal rifles did not even need a serial number until 1962! (I own a Sako single shot .22LR with the serial number "Säkret" ("Safe" in Swedish) :mrgreen: :mrgreen: :mrgreen: , as do a fair number of people)
Up until around 2000 being caught with an illegal gun (unregistered or fully automatic or just plain illegal) would be a "misdemeanor" and a fine of the equivalent of $1000
sometimes you were allowed to register the gun, and keep it :lol: 8) If it was really bad, you might loose the right to keep your hunting licence, thus forfeiting your legally owned hunting rifles (but not the shotgun....) Even IF convicted today, your guns will NOT be confiscated, unless they were used in a crime, You have the right to hand them over to a firearms dealer and have him sell the guns. because of the outburst of Biker-gang shootings and immigrant-gang shootings, possesing an illegal firearm now carries a mandatory 2 year prison sentence :shock: :o :roll: -- As if that will make ANY difference to the "gang-bangers"
The fact that "silencers" require no serial number, manufacturers stamps or caliber stamps in effect renders the licencing of them un-enforceable, along with the manufacture of them .. buy one unmarked silencer, make the ones you need, only ever take out one at a time .. bring the licence... Of course, as the license is free (only takes the work of registering it) why not buy a few .. here we can buy good quality modular aluminium hunting silencers at around $350, a rimfire modular will cost you $75-100

Sorry about the "fractional year" thing .. "ECCOMachine is right of course... :oops:
I have worked on firearms and old bikes for 30+ years, so I have developed an "imperial/fractional mind" along side my "Metric/decimal mind"
I have read a lot of threads about "form 1" e.t.c. and they always seem to speak of "Sent in on April 1oth, got the letter in late October" sort of thing.. so I assumed thet this was the average wait for the "Tax stamp" to build or buy a silencer in the US...
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tjoslin53 wrote:Hey all! I was hoping that someone on hear could answer one question for me that seems to be unknown to everyone I have asked to date. Here it goes, what is the thread size/pattern on the NAPPA 4003 Fuel Filter? Wait, NOT and I SAY again, NOT the 3/4" threads the fuel lines screw into, but the threads on the tube itself? You can buy from many sellers the end caps for the NAPPA tubes but even they not seem to know, China! Well, any help with this would be greatly appreciated.
1 7/8" x 16 tpi.

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Post by ECCO Machine » Wed Nov 28, 2018 6:49 pm

DKDravis wrote: I have read a lot of threads about "form 1" e.t.c. and they always seem to speak of "Sent in on April 1oth, got the letter in late October" sort of thing.. so I assumed thet this was the average wait for the "Tax stamp" to build or buy a silencer in the US...
The rapid turnaround on Form 1 is a pretty recent thing, used to be the same long wait as Form 4. We are expecting Form 4 to folllow suit, but the wheels turn slowly with government. Heck, the eForms website is down about half the time for maintenance/repair, yet private sites & search engines, even relatively small and poorly funded ones, can handle orders of magnitude more traffic without bogging down a bit.....

I am with you that it's ridiculous that suppressors are regulated at all here, was an "anti-poaching" add-on to the NFA. We actually were getting some traction with the Hearing Protection Act, which would have deregulated suppressors. But then a few nut jobs shot up schools, churches, bars, etc., and we found ourselves back on defense (coincidence? Perhaps, but I find conspiracy more and more plausible each time.......)

Anyway, sorry for my tone, was a knee-jerk reaction to feeling somewhat attacked with the "You now have had a republican "hothead president" in office for around 2 years one that all the "gun owners" take credit for voting in, still NO progress .." comment.
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Post by Hard_ware » Wed Nov 28, 2018 8:42 pm

ECCO Machine wrote:
DKDravis wrote: I have read a lot of threads about "form 1" e.t.c. and they always seem to speak of "Sent in on April 1oth, got the letter in late October" sort of thing.. so I assumed thet this was the average wait for the "Tax stamp" to build or buy a silencer in the US...
The rapid turnaround on Form 1 is a pretty recent thing, used to be the same long wait as Form 4. We are expecting Form 4 to folllow suit, but the wheels turn slowly with government. Heck, the eForms website is down about half the time for maintenance/repair, yet private sites & search engines, even relatively small and poorly funded ones, can handle orders of magnitude more traffic without bogging down a bit.....

I am with you that it's ridiculous that suppressors are regulated at all here, was an "anti-poaching" add-on to the NFA. We actually were getting some traction with the Hearing Protection Act, which would have deregulated suppressors. But then a few nut jobs shot up schools, churches, bars, etc., and we found ourselves back on defense (coincidence? Perhaps, but I find conspiracy more and more plausible each time.......)

Anyway, sorry for my tone, was a knee-jerk reaction to feeling somewhat attacked with the "You now have had a republican "hothead president" in office for around 2 years one that all the "gun owners" take credit for voting in, still NO progress .." comment.

+1

Really thought suppressors would have been off the nfa by now.
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Post by a_canadian » Wed Nov 28, 2018 11:17 pm

It would be great if a bunch of people who actually knew what they were talking about would publish a giant list of all the things governments regulate, and maybe put together a plebiscite such that common folk could vote on whether governments should continue to have a hand in those things. Of course, like everything else, there would need to be a massive educational effort prior to any debate on such a list among the general public. And then there would be an endless debate about how to educate folks... because hey, government likes power, always more power... and a truly honest and complete education would by its definition undermine such power... so yeah, that's not going to happen.

So we continue to suffer these ridiculous regulations. The law prohibiting suppressor ownership in Canada is notable particularly for its inconsistency as compared to other Commonwealth nations. In New Zealand it's really no big deal to make them or own them. In the UK much the same thing, a minor control in place for those intended for firearms, maybe something similar for airguns, but no big deal. Australia? Forget about it, not gonna happen, they're the devil's toys. Same for Canada. Huh? So next time you're getting underwear all knotted up about delays for NFA applications, give a moment's thought to our situation. Which sucks. Completely. And even protesting it with government will put you on a list.

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Post by alordnapa » Thu Nov 29, 2018 12:20 am

tjoslin53 wrote:Hey all! I was hoping that someone on hear could answer one question for me that seems to be unknown to everyone I have asked to date. Here it goes, what is the thread size/pattern on the NAPPA 4003 Fuel Filter? Wait, NOT and I SAY again, NOT the 3/4" threads the fuel lines screw into, but the threads on the tube itself? You can buy from many sellers the end caps for the NAPPA tubes but even they not seem to know, China! Well, any help with this would be greatly appreciated.
Did you even notice with all the sturm und drang, that someone actually answered your thread-question responsively? It must be a holiday...

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Post by DKDravis » Thu Nov 29, 2018 9:01 am

Sometimes the original thread starter does not know what he sets off.. :mrgreen:

NZ .. yeah ... they have the right setup there.. I went there for a month to hunt in the mountains on DOC land.

I could not bring my own suppressor (Legally owned!) because of silly export/import rules, but once there i walked into the nearest outdoor/hunting store, and bought one.
The shop owner even agreed to take back the can and give me a good return price, if the can was in good condition upon return :D He even offered to keep the original packaging for my return :mrgreen: Very nice people the Kiwi's :D
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ECCO Machine wrote:
DKDravis wrote: I have read a lot of threads about "form 1" e.t.c. and they always seem to speak of "Sent in on April 1oth, got the letter in late October" sort of thing.. so I assumed thet this was the average wait for the "Tax stamp" to build or buy a silencer in the US...
The rapid turnaround on Form 1 is a pretty recent thing, used to be the same long wait as Form 4. We are expecting Form 4 to folllow suit, but the wheels turn slowly with government. Heck, the eForms website is down about half the time for maintenance/repair, yet private sites & search engines, even relatively small and poorly funded ones, can handle orders of magnitude more traffic without bogging down a bit.....

I am with you that it's ridiculous that suppressors are regulated at all here, was an "anti-poaching" add-on to the NFA. We actually were getting some traction with the Hearing Protection Act, which would have deregulated suppressors. But then a few nut jobs shot up schools, churches, bars, etc., and we found ourselves back on defense (coincidence? Perhaps, but I find conspiracy more and more plausible each time.......)

Anyway, sorry for my tone, was a knee-jerk reaction to feeling somewhat attacked with the "You now have had a republican "hothead president" in office for around 2 years one that all the "gun owners" take credit for voting in, still NO progress .." comment.
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