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After much drama in dealing with an examiner assistant that had few clues what she was doing, my paperwork was finally forwarded on up the ladder to the examiner who promptly approved it.

So, I've spent the last several days finishing the project. Sorry, don't have any video of how it sounds yet, but it has surpassed my expectations by firing it out the back door into the yard. Not much more than firing pin noise and the bullet hitting the dirt.

The project started with an old Lakefield (pre-savage arms) Mk2 bolt action. This being its' 50th birthday this year, I wanted to use it as the host because it's been a really good gun even after all these years.

Anyway, wanted to share some pics.

While I was waiting on things to be approved, I worked on things that I didn't need a stamp for so it wouldn't take as long to finish the project.

Barrel was shortened and threaded and recrowned.

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In order to accommodate the larger diameter suppressor tube, I hand sanded the barrel channel on the stock so it would fit. This took a lot more work than I had expected even while using 80 and 120 grit paper. I just used a scrap piece of tube the diameter that I was going to use with the sandpaper wrapped around it so once it was finished, the barrel and suppressor sleeve would be freefloated from the stock.

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Since one of the main gripes about the Savage stocks is that they are a little on the flimsy side, I decided to bed the stock and use a long aluminum rod insert epoxied in place to strengthen it and make it much more rigid, which it did.

I had to dremel through the ribs to accommodate the Al rod.

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I did a water immersion camo dip on all the pieces. Receiver, scope and rings, stock. Basically the entire exterior got a camo job since I plan for it to be my squirrel gun. But I mainly did it just so everything would blend in together and so it wouldn't really scream "SUPPRESSED GUN" at first glance.

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I also modified a scrap piece of picatinny rail and drilled and tapped it to make a scope rail. I milled the area away over the ejection port similar to how EGW makes theirs.

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I also liked the "tactical (I hate using that term) bolt handle on the FVSR, so I made a new handle and epoxied it in place. I also changed the angle of the handle somewhat to make it easier to cycle the bolt with just moving my trigger finger and thumb. Here's the old bolt handle. You'll see the new one in the photos below of the whole gun once it was together.

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Alright, now with that part of the project out of the way, now to concentrate on more of what we're here for.

The shhhh.

Rear cap is made long and hollowed out in front in case I ever port the barrel to act as a deflector so jetted gas and lead doesn't score the inner suppressor tube.

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A few thick O rings to help seal the tube once it's in place

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The monocore is pinned and tigged to eliminate the need to double stamp the gun.

Here it is once I filed the excess down.

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The suppressor tube has no threading on it. It tensions back in place over the rear endcap when you tighten the front cap down into the monocore. I made the front of the monocore a female thread (1/2-28 to make my life easy) and essentially made the front endcap like a hollow bolt with a bore through it of course. The main reason why I did that was I didn't want to use up too much space on my monocore doing a male thread on the end of the stack. By going with a female thread, allowed me to use all the space that I had to work with and gave me one more baffle than I would've had the other way. Not shown is the .002" shim stock that will wrap around the monocore to keep the suppressor tube from seizing up. It will wrap around the core and fit between the two O rings.

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I was afraid it would be far too cold to do the water immersion graphic dip and clearcoat on the suppressor body and endcaps, but it warmed up just enough to get it done late this evening.

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looks sweet! but how does it sound?
I take it you probably ported the barrel for the rear chamber like you discussed in your other thread?
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I haven't ported it at this time. If subs ever became hard to get again, like post sandy, I would.

It sounds really good with cci standard. I have some cci quiets that I'm going to put in it too just to see how it sounds.

I only took a couple of shots off the back porch into the yard this evening to get an idea of how it sounds.

Just a little thud. It exceeded my hopes and expectations. To say that I am very pleased with how it turned out would probably be a little of an understatement.

If the weather isn't snowing or freezing mix of sleet and rain tomorrow, I'm going to zero the scope and see how it prints on paper if I get a chance. It shot well before. I assume that won't really change much, if any.
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That looks very good!!
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Bravo
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Thanks for the compliments guys. I'm very happy with the way it sounds. Much better than when shooting through one of my 9mm cans :lol:

Here's a better side view of the gun once everything was together. Not sure why the earlier side view looked washed out.

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I really wanted to give you 10/10, but where are the pics of the damn core? :(


The finish, great job.
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T-Rex wrote:I really wanted to give you 10/10, but where are the pics of the damn core? :(


The finish, great job.
Love too see more core photos and info as well. How long is barrel, how long is core, and what diameter?
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It's similar to Gemtechs G core, but with different angles and smaller "chambers". The reason I wanted to use smaller chambers is simply because that let me add more baffles to try to maximize the space I had to work with.

Here is the G core (screenshot from one of gemtechs videos on youtube). I'm going to add a snapshot just to show that there are differences because I didn't want to copy it and wanted to add my own personal touches with enough changes that could show it's not a clone and show its' own merits. My expansion chamber baffle is also not straight. And my baffle is about an inch and a half shorter than the mist. And has a different style of nut to hold the suppressor tube in place and I'm sure other changes that I'm not mentioning.

I wanted something similar because of all the positive feedback on them, but I wanted to try my own changes.

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Upon looking at the picture above, looks like the angles of their baffles are about 40 degrees.

My baffles are closer to 60* angles and not as sharply angled.

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Suppressor body is 1.12" OD. .065 wall 6061Al

7075 Al monocore .990" OD (wanted it a little smaller so I could add the shim stock clamshell)

6.5" long (not including the lip for the barrel threads--it's closer to 6.90" long if you include it but obviously you lose that length once it's threaded onto the barrel)

Bore= 9/32" reamer (.281")

Barrel = 12.5"

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2.85 Ounces 7075 ALUMINUM MONOCORE BAFFLE
.50 Ounce FRONT ENDCAP
.65 Ounce REAR ENDCAP
5.75 Ounces SUPPRESSOR TUBE/BARREL SLEEVE
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9.75 ounces Grand total suppressor weight


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Ok, Ok, I promised.

10/10
John A. wrote:9.75 ounces Grand total suppressor weight
I'm guessing the rifle weighs the same, now, as it did before the change :D
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Very close to the same. About 1.2 oz less due to turning the barrel down to around .506"ish removing the barrel taper, and cutting off about 10 inches of barrel altogether.

But the scope and rings that I put on it weighs a lot more than the cheap little reflex that I had on it previously, Plus the stock bedding, so it's heavier altogether taking everything into consideration.

Still, it shoulders well. Balances well. Feels good in the hand. I don't think anyone would have any complaints with it.

I hope to shoot it some this evening. Crossing my fingers for fair weather. If I do, I'll try to get some video.
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Thank your for sharing your incredible talent with us
Metal-maniacs.

Respectful of our other talented brethren
here you have my 10/10 ... 10 for presentation; 10 for
execution!

I cannot wait NOT to hear how loud it is. :)

Sure cheers up the start of the day.

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Lookin' good!

The G-core design I think is a good concept, but I agree that it could work better with some changes. Low pressure rounds generally seem to benefit from a greater number of baffles. My Ocelot has 10. Ocelot M has 11. TBAC Takedown .22 has 11. Yes, cone baffles are a different story, but we're talking about rimfire cans that metered 115.4 and 114.3 on the Pulse, while independent testing of the GM-22 puts it in the low 120s (I don't know how Gemtec figures 36-39 dB reduction when .22 rifles are only mid to high 130s to begin with).
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ECCO Machine wrote: (I don't know how Gemtec figures 36-39 dB reduction when .22 rifles are only mid to high 130s to begin with).
17 hmr pistol?

They claim 120s with a ruger 22/45
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fishman wrote: 17 hmr pistol?

They claim 120s with a ruger 22/45
Maybe.

I haven't metered one on a pistol, but my ears tell me it would come in high 120s with subs. They're light weight and easy to clean, but are among the louder rimfire cans.
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I'm still waiting on the field reports but my hardy congratulations on you being able to complete this anticipated build.

Please take more photos of that very handsome rifle. I like the Hydro Dip and the lines of this inconspicuous suppressed build.

Still confused by "Suppressorgate" or the release of any civilian Pew Pew data.

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I think the examiner assistant thought it was an sbr application or something and thought I was supposed to enter the original receiver information. Because clearly, if she had read the critical word SILENCER/MUFFLER on the application, it would've been more apparent, but my honest guess, she was nothing more than contract labor and not an official employee that didn't really know what she was doing, if I were to sincerely guess.

At any rate, it's approved, and I've been busy making it.

I was able to shoot a couple boxes of CCI through it. The CCI Quiets sound about like someone spitting into an empty 5 gallon bucket. Certainly more quiet than a Red Ryder.

I also want to thank you for the idea to use shim stock as the clamshell around the monocore. I don't have it yet because I had to order a piece, but it was a really good recommendation. Thank you for that.

Anyway, here's some short video of it.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2eaLLyA ... e=youtu.be
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Capt. Link. wrote: Please take more photos of that very handsome rifle. I like the Hydro Dip and the lines of this inconspicuous suppressed build.
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i am gonna give it a 11/10... impressive... and it looks cool as hell with the camo dip... well done... respect from Miami...
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Thanks for the compliment.

Back years ago, I had my FFL's for about a decade. In that time, I did a lot of refinish work and stuff. And the latter few years, got into water immersion camo's, so in full disclosure, I've done that a few times.

There has actually been a new pattern that has been released since I started working on this project that I would have used had I not already had so much done on this receiver. I would've went with the STON pattern that's available out of TWN Industries in Florida. I did a semi auto shotgun in that pattern for my youngest son and we loved it. It works very well for my area.

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With that said, I wouldn't do a dip on a rifle caliber can due to the heat that some of them would be subjected to because a camo dip is only as good as the paints and clearcoats that are used and there aren't many out there that can hold up to those kind of temps. But I don't worry about it on a bolt action rimfire. I don't have any doubts that it'll hold up fine on it. Plus, there isn't another quiet like it anywhere.

I've actually wondered why no one has done that yet for a commercial can because there are a lot of folks who like to hunt with their guns, so I think it's an underserved area in the industry actually.

So, since no one else has done it, I stepped up to the plate. You saw it here first.

Capt. Link, here are a few more pictures for you.

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John A. wrote:
Capt. Link. wrote: Please take more photos of that very handsome rifle. I like the Hydro Dip and the lines of this inconspicuous suppressed build.
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Its like a pretty woman any picture will be a good one.

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None of the pics are showing :(
Anyone else having the same problem?
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They seem to be working for me. Sorry
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All of the pics showing here.
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