Recore with clipped baffles

[John A.]

I had a 9mm can that worked fairly well. No real complaints about it. A little louder than I wanted but sounded mediocre on handgun hosts. In honesty, if I were allowed to replace the omega'ish baffles myself, I would've done it long ago, but we're all well aware of "the rules" and I sleep better at night when follow them.

I was also going to put this topic somewhere besides the silencersmithing forum, but didn't really see a suitable place for it.

Anyway, I had a chance to get a recore and decided to give it a fair chance. Rusty had given me fair terms and even offered to put my old guts back in it if I wasn't happy with it. That was as fair of an offer as one could make.

So, I sent out my can to Rusty's Services last week to see if it was as good as he had claimed. And I got it back yesterday so less than 2 week turnaround was good too and that was including round trip from KY to TX.

To make a long story short, it exceeded my expectations. In my haste, I had forgotten to take my camera so I didn't get to make any video like I had planned but I will. And when I do, I'll update the topic.

But, it was a lot quieter than before. I don't really want to guess and say it was X db quieter or anything because I don't like to speculate, but I can honestly say, it was noticeably more quiet than before and the 8" can sounded at least as good as my 11 inch can does so that is saying something.

The baffles contained a lot of smoke and it exited the bore for several minutes after I laid the gun on the tailgate. Even after I got the can home and took it apart to check it out, the smell of the gun powder was still extremely strong.

FWIW, I was shooting it on one of my favorite hosts. A 38/357 NEF handi-rifle with factory Remington 38's through it, which stay subsonic even out of the 16 inch threaded barrel.

Straight away, I backed up to 75 yards and fired off hand and was ringing the gong with each pull of the trigger. I didn't print it on paper, but the scope was already zero'd with that can and if it's still hitting the 6 inch gong at 75 yards with no adjusting the scope, I'm going to say there was no or negligible POI shift with the new baffles in it.

Oh, it's a little more than an ounce lighter than it was from before when I mailed it to him too.

So, in seeing how well it worked, I can say that while I initially doubted some of the claims that had been made concerning them, I can now say that hearing is believing because you just can't argue with undisputable improvement.

Anyway, I just wanted to share my experience with it while shooting the 38's. I have some 165gr 9mm handloads that I'm going to shoot through it which should be even more quiet because they only take 2.8gr to 3.0 gr of titegroup and burn out before entering the can in many of my longer barrels and still stay subsonic, so that should be even more interesting trial run for anyone wanting to follow along.

[garredondojr]

Nice! looking forward to what the 165 9mm brings. I take it xtreme bullets? been wanting to try them myself.

Have you tried K's before? That's my plan on my 9mm can as I don't have the tooling to cut radials. and I want to do a scratch build.

[John A.]

Yes, K's are good, but I wanted to try something different in that can when I was making it to try out my idea. Like I said, it worked "ok" but not what I would call "great".

It sounds a lot better now regardless.

Anyway, yes, I am using the extreme bullets 165's. I love how they perform on my 9's. Quiet and hard hitting. You wouldn't be disappointed.

Also, they wont' go super even out of a 16 inch barrel either.

[#40Fan]

That was a quick turn around time.

Mind sharing some pictures of what you ended up with? I'm sure it is his RSC's with the DHC, but as they say...pictures...words....something along those lines.

[John A.]

I think the baffles he used was the 2nd version of the alphabet letters you said. It has a larger lip or chamfer on top.

[mr fixit]

I built a can using his design for the DHC on cones. I was very surprised that the can went onto a gun that had been zeroed without a can. After the can was on there was no change in POI at 100 yards. To me that is enough to recommend the DHC cones.

[John A.]

I didn't touch the scope after putting the can with the new baffles on it either.

Didn't need to.

[Sergeant]

Talk is cheap, John....lol
We want Pix and VIDEO

[John A.]

I hope to do the video this weekend between the thunderstorms that are supposed to move through.

[T-Rex]

John, just remember: it's legal for a form 1 maker to recore their silencer, so long as a new form 1 is approved. For someone like myself, who can machine their own parts, it's probably cheaper than sending to a SOT.

I'll be waiting for a video as well

[John A.]

I have no inclination to pay another stamp to do a recore. I've paid enough in taxes in my lifetime already.

[fishman]

I would also rather pay a machinist instead of paying the ATF

[Capt. Link.]

I remember when you built that suppressor and am glad the recore has been a success.If you had the ability to rebuild tune and test would you go back to the Omega baffle.I know the devil is in the porting details with that design.Have you tested the new core on a pistol....looking forward to the field reports.

[John A.]

Here is a photo of the baffle that he used.



Capt, the omega'ish baffles that was in it wasn't really terrible. It sounded fair and about average. In full disclosure, I've heard a lot more quiet. I'm not going to lie.

But I've also heard worse designs too.

And even though I had it recored, I don't see it as a total failure. I learned that making internal grooves in the face of the baffle to cause more disruption and turbulence when the gas hit the face of the baffle didn't work out as well as I had hoped. If nothing else, I chalk it up as a learning experience and now I move on.

The recore is a lot more quiet than before. There is no question about it.

Rusty had sent me a really short video that he took of the can when he first got it, and again after he finished recoring it. Despite the camera being closer after he finished it, it's still clear and obvious that it's more quiet. And I noticed it when I test fired it after I got it back the other day too. It sounds good.

I don't want to repost his videos because I don't know how he feels about that. But I do have some video of me shooting it earlier on a few handguns and I can make another video and put the "before and after" video side by side if you'd like to hear it. But like I said, it's enough of a difference that I think is clearly obvious.

[#40Fan]

Why did he sell you his Rev. B RSCs?

Did he give you the option of the Rev. C and they were too much or something?

Mind sharing the price of the recore?

[John A.]

I was wrong, he told me that he used the latest version and not the 2nd version.

I admit that I wouldn't know one between the other or how they are different. But that is the photo that he had shared with me in email.

[#40Fan]

You haven't cracked that baby open to see what is going on?



Rev. C.

[John A.]

That's it, plus clips.

[John A.]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=827sn-E ... e=youtu.be

[Sergeant]

That's AWESOME John.

[Sergeant]

What are the specs of that can?

[John A.]

8 of the rsc dhc baffles, sdta booster

tube, spacers, endcap

norrells moly socom black paint

I think that's about it

[Paco664]

it sounds really good... nice tone... i like it...

[John A.]

Yeah, he did a really good job on those baffles.

He told me that it was OK to show the before and after video that he made with the can, so you guys can hear the difference.

My omega'ish baffles

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w2zT_EIpCXY

rusty's baffles

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AWazAbuJHu8