Snorkel Suppressor Design

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Snorkel Suppressor Design

Post by Historian » Mon Dec 30, 2019 1:54 pm

In previous posts I mentioned once seen in 1960s at Parker Hale's
'back room' a unique .22 suppressor ... surprisingly marked "MM1"
like their standard cupped baffle MM1s ... that there
has been no reference to in the literature thereafter.

A Unicorn?

As memory serves it was about 6.5" long, ± , aluminum can, I.D. .75" ,
with no baffles. The only addition was a .30" tube made into the
front end-cap that entered back ⅔ of the way in, like a snorkel.

Over the intervening years no reference to this model was run across.

While perusing "Firearm Suppressor Patents" - N.R. Parker,2004,
page 32 I saw patent 2,872,848 = K.E. Schuessler. Fe. 10, 1959.
A snorkel design. On page 35 Parker included in his review of this
patent the following:

" ... This author has come across one instance in which this design
served as a basis for a .22 LR muzzle suppressor. although it did not use
a support for the central tube as disclosed in the patent, everything else was the same.
It worked well, and because there was no need for a reasonably tight bore
diameter.the can itself was simple to build due to the low component count."


A South African can, Volume 2 on Suppressors, emulated this design
with an added forward expansion chamber.
Along the mode of the Rugged Suppressors Obsidian 45 two length.

<< https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLe7Mwf4fEY >>

Wondering how a .22 can 10" long, 1" I.D., with a snorkel 300" I.D.would meter.
Sure has a large blast baffle.... approximately 7 cubic inches.

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Re: Snorkel Suppressor Design

Post by John A. » Mon Dec 30, 2019 9:37 pm

With the advancements in baffle tech over the years, I would question why anyone would even need a snorkel in a 22 can these days at all.

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Re: Snorkel Suppressor Design

Post by Historian » Wed Jan 01, 2020 2:34 pm

John, your observation is correct, especially given the latest
stellar DeadAir Mask, etc. The intent of the post was two fold:

First, to document a long ago British, not well known at all,
unique can by the esteemed Parker Hale company in the 1960s
when they were still in operation.

It indeed manifested the ME Course II first
dictum: KISS ... keep it simple, stupid. :)

What could be simpler than a 7"± tube, an end-cap, and a internal snorkel reaching about ⅔ inside.
As mentioned this design was granted a US patent to my surprise.

For the lowly .22 what could be simpler.

Second, The MM1' snorkel's very oddity could be compared to Carrol Shelby's
Cobra's innovative truncated aerodynamic design rear trunk. It was first proposed by
an obscure German designer ( WW2 era ??). Shelby's team 'knew it could not work' as
everyone knew that the best aerodynamic shape was a 'boat tail'.

The stubby rear implementation that dramatically reduced drag
and led to the Cobra's winning races was recently described in the history channel
documentary "Shelby v. Ferrari" which served as basis for latest movie "Ford v. Ferrari".

It would be interesting if a SOT would test a 1" I.D., 10" can with a Snorkel and compare its
output to the Mask's ±115 Db.

This weekend a note pointed to a mention of the rare MM1 whose owner in UK
wrapped tightly some copper ... a la Chore-Girl ...around the snorkel and got marked improvement
in sound reduction.

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Re: Snorkel Suppressor Design

Post by Capt. Link. » Fri Jan 03, 2020 3:18 pm

Historian:

The suppressor in the patent is the great grandchild of the coaxial suppressor AKA: AWC MK-9, MK-9K and a few others.I have seen these using cone,K and M baffles.While old school I know this design works wonders on 9mm buzz guns and others that respond well to large volume design.These are not all tiny suppressors as the first ones were 12" long then 9 then 7 and shorter.Though large its still one of my favorite designs.

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If you made the patent device and add a single baffle the suppression will increase significantly. The ability to change the position of the central core in the suppression tube will allow you to tune the device and reap additional benefits.You do not need to use tight clearances as you mentioned---but only in .22 caliber with a large volume.

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