.22 rimfire, integral vs add-a-can

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.22 rimfire, integral vs add-a-can

Post by mr fixit » Mon Jul 20, 2020 2:47 pm

One of my upcoming stamps is going to be for a .22. I had always sorta planned to do an integral on a 10/22. I've already got the rifle and currently have a .920 barrel I was going to use to make the integral based very closely on this integral by CMV viewtopic.php?f=10&t=120608

I really like the idea of a integral. However, I am also considering the utility of being able to add a can to multiple guns. My question is what are the pros and cons of integral vs adding a stand alone can? I would imagine an integral would be quieter than adding a can. However in my plan I have to put an asterisk by this as the action noise would be added on the 10/22. I have considered an integral on say a Savage bolt action, but at least in my mind that build isn't as 'sexy' as doing a 10/22.

So, how much quieter is an integral?

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Post by T-Rex » Tue Jul 21, 2020 7:26 am

If you're going to do a 10/22, just do a really good muzzle can, that you could swap between hosts. The action of the 10/22 doesn't let you get to hollywood quiet. If you wanted to do a bolt gun, go integral, all day long.

My integral 22 is a Savage MKII w/ an ~8" monocore. It falls into the stupid quiet category. The barrel is ~10" and I have no problem hitting 3" plates @ 100yds.
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Post by alordnapa » Tue Jul 21, 2020 4:39 pm

I don't see any posts by CMV about how this design worked out for him. It is a pretty high weight-to-volume design, so I really wonder how it worked out in either of these builds.

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Post by Capt. Link. » Tue Jul 21, 2020 8:02 pm

I'm almost positive Chris used a baffle I designed using his own layout for the suppressor. Several other members built cans using this design with satisfaction.I still have the prints for this very easy to make baffle for the .22LR.
I found three to four wide spaced baffles and a long ported barrel held under tension works well.
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Post by ECCO Machine » Tue Jul 21, 2020 8:22 pm

T-Rex wrote:
Tue Jul 21, 2020 7:26 am
If you're going to do a 10/22, just do a really good muzzle can, that you could swap between hosts. The action of the 10/22 doesn't let you get to hollywood quiet. If you wanted to do a bolt gun, go integral, all day long.
This. Integrals are pretty much a waste on semi auto .22 rifles.
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Post by Capt. Link. » Wed Jul 22, 2020 11:21 pm

ECCO Machine wrote:
Tue Jul 21, 2020 8:22 pm
T-Rex wrote:
Tue Jul 21, 2020 7:26 am
If you're going to do a 10/22, just do a really good muzzle can, that you could swap between hosts. The action of the 10/22 doesn't let you get to hollywood quiet. If you wanted to do a bolt gun, go integral, all day long.
This. Integrals are pretty much a waste on semi auto .22 rifles.
Don't get it....why the hate..?
My favorite rimfire is a open bolt 10/22 integral with porting.

{ Hollywood Quiet } its a impression not a db level.
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Post by ninoslavt » Thu Jul 23, 2020 3:37 am

I would say that potential dB gain is rather symbolic, and manufacturing problems are just not worth it.
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Post by mr fixit » Thu Jul 23, 2020 10:25 am

I really like the 10/22 just from the standpoint of the easy to swap barrels. The magazines for the 10/22 are a big plus too. Honestly I wish I had one of the straight pull actions using the 10/22.

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Post by Capt. Link. » Thu Jul 23, 2020 2:00 pm

ninoslavt wrote:
Thu Jul 23, 2020 3:37 am
I would say that potential dB gain is rather symbolic, and manufacturing problems are just not worth it.
Again totally mystified as the manufacturing process is the same with locked breech or blow back integral barrels.
(potential dB gain is rather symbolic) would elaborate to clarify.
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I really like the 10/22 just from the standpoint of the easy to swap barrels. The magazines for the 10/22 are a big plus too. Honestly I wish I had one of the straight pull actions using the 10/22.
Thank you mr fixit I did not know about the toggle link 10-22 ,wow what a option for suppression. :idea:
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ninoslavt wrote:
Thu Jul 23, 2020 3:37 am
I would say that potential dB gain is rather symbolic, and manufacturing problems are just not worth it.
Again totally mystified as the manufacturing process is the same with locked breech or blow back integral barrels.
(potential dB gain is rather symbolic) ? explain
mr fixit wrote:
Thu Jul 23, 2020 10:25 am
I really like the 10/22 just from the standpoint of the easy to swap barrels. The magazines for the 10/22 are a big plus too. Honestly I wish I had one of the straight pull actions using the 10/22.
Thank you mr fixit I did not know about the toggle link 10-22 ,wow what a option for suppression. :idea:
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Post by bwp777 » Thu Jul 23, 2020 5:51 pm

I weighed this out as well and ending up going with a Spectre 2 can. I have NEVER regretted my decision and it now sits on the Ruger MK4. I have a can from Curtis Tactical and it is also VERY nice indeed.

Hollywood quiet was achieved on my CZ tacticool as you could her the trigger over the shot. I know that's a different apple but there it is. If length isn't an issue, do the screw on and don't look back. I have an integral 9mm on an AR build and it gets dirty, so I can only imagine a .22

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Post by 748 » Sat Jul 25, 2020 12:52 am

I'm kind of disappointed with my intergral 10/22.
Yeah its quiet, accuracy isn't very good, it was freaking expensive and now I know I would have a better 10/22 if I went with a 16 inch barrel and decent screw on silencer.
So much has changed since my last form 1

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Post by mr fixit » Sat Jul 25, 2020 8:33 pm

748 wrote:
Sat Jul 25, 2020 12:52 am
I'm kind of disappointed with my intergral 10/22.
Yeah its quiet, accuracy isn't very good, it was freaking expensive and now I know I would have a better 10/22 if I went with a 16 inch barrel and decent screw on silencer.
Interesting, I would love to know more about it. was it a form 1 build, if so how was it built?

One of the pros for doing an integral on the 10/22 I already have is I can build it so even bulk pack .22 is subsonic. That would make it much easier to feed and enjoy.

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Post by 748 » Fri Jul 31, 2020 4:58 pm

It's a gemtech mist.
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Re: .22 rimfire, integral vs add-a-can

Post by ninoslavt » Tue Aug 11, 2020 9:47 am

Capt. Link. wrote:
Thu Jul 23, 2020 2:12 pm
ninoslavt wrote:
Thu Jul 23, 2020 3:37 am
I would say that potential dB gain is rather symbolic, and manufacturing problems are just not worth it.
Again totally mystified as the manufacturing process is the same with locked breech or blow back integral barrels.
(potential dB gain is rather symbolic) ? explain

Sorry for a such late answer, I was very busy last two weeks...
Not really mystifying anything. It's rather easier to just a thread a barrel than to make a bunch of holes. Sure, you can also make reflex type but there's no gain in noise reduction at all, and all you'll get is FRP. Also, if you are drilling the holes, you can screw up the accuracy and something that we call "automatics". In that case maybe it won't work as semi auto rifle any more. And talking about dB gain... Maybe and just maybe, it will be a little quieter (shot), but mechanical noise would be still very noticeable. Almost every day I can hear military guards checking their M16s through opened window which is over 150 yards afar... Somehow I believe that 10/22 action is not much more quieter than that. In that case, Hollywood quiet shot will be nullified by mechanical noise, so why bother.
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