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Alright. I didn't get much feedback from the last one. Perhaps it was impractical. I don't have a sophisticated program to produce a 3D product, but this was another one. Anyone think it'd would work as a small cal. can?


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I've finally got a hook up with a CNC through a friend of mine. He says he can make it and suggests it be of T6 aluminum or stronger. So, I'm going forth with the legal paperwork. From here, it should be quite fun.
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I don't know much about the making of suppressors so maybe you can answer this----How is the "hook" part of the "J" supported in your drawing?? It doesn't look like you have the baffles joined and if there's a center bore then doesn't that leave the hook part attached to nothing? Or is it all connected to the walls of the suppressor?? Sorry if it's a dumb question or doesn't make sense (just getting into this part of the board and find it all way over my head :? )
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Are you trying to copy me? :lol:

At least someone is think along that same lines as me, Just remember you'll want to support those parts that connect to the tube.
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I think that it'll be very had to drill a strait hole through that. If the hooks arn't going to be supported but on one side I'd use some sort of steel as the aluminum will likely break off uless its going on some sort of 22LR
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Actually guys, this baffle module will be one piece, much like that of the AAC Prodigy, but of T6 aluminum. The baffles and module cylinder are together as O N E...without the tube, of course. The center hole will be placed before making the baffles. I was sitting down and thinking of ways to divert the gas...Seems simple enough :) Paco, I wish i could say I copied you after seeing the rifle dynamics you shared :lol: Have you drawn up suppressor ideas as well? Oh, I did see the K-baffle thing you drew...that was cool. However, I'm trying to vier from that concept. Making the single slab version out of one bar of metal is easier, more economical, and baffle staging is limitless.
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shotgundrums wrote:Actually guys, this baffle module will be one piece, much like that of the AAC Prodigy, but of T6 aluminum. The baffles and module cylinder are together as O N E...without the tube, of course. The center hole will be placed before making the baffles. I was sitting down and thinking of ways to divert the gas...Seems simple enough :) Paco, I wish i could say I copied you after seeing the rifle dynamics you shared :lol: Have you drawn up suppressor ideas as well? Oh, I did see the K-baffle thing you drew...that was cool. However, I'm trying to vier from that concept. Making the single slab version out of one bar of metal is easier, more economical, and baffle staging is limitless.
The way that you drew this idea out is internally exactly how I started when I designed my Dark Heart can. Keep thinking of the way that you can rotate the baffles in your 2D view. For me it led to some pretty nice looking stuff, that should work very well. Good job on the design :D

I do design ideas in binders and notebooks at school. I did this one before I thought of using inverse opposites in my newer designs.
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Um, you obviously got the idea from this sculpture in France.

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rsilvers wrote:Um, you obviously got the idea from this sculpture in France.

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Ok Robert ,,you have fooled people before :wink: ( silencer made out of wood )

Does this thing really exists ,,or is it one of yours well done "photos "

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I'm glad R.Silvers put that photo up cause ever since this thread went up I've been scratching my head over where I have seen that before.
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Hey, maybe that isn't a big bench in France, it might be the can that fits on Degroat's 90mm anti tank gun..... :shock:
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Ok ,,next question ,,if this thing is real ,,and a person in the us did buy it as a big bench from France,,,now would the ATF come after him for having a unregistered baffle stack :wink:
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thats the military hardware hidden in plane sight, when WW3 comes that things gonna be wenched up on a howitzer
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GaLEO wrote:Hey, maybe that isn't a big bench in France, it might be the can that fits on Degroat's 90mm anti tank gun..... :shock:

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You know something, rsilvers? I'm friggen stumped! WOW! Is that actually a real picture of something that already exists? I swear to God I've never seen that before! Man, thats weird. You gotta be fuckin' with me, dude. There's no way in hell that's real...Because I pulled that bullshit silencer draft outa my head....Once i made all the "J's" i thought to myself, "what about a blast baffle?" AND EVEN THAT s--t'S THE SAME!!..no way... :|
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Tesla's Valvular Conduit always kind of made me think suppressor but good results can be had for a lot less effort. Nice that others are thinking about it though.

http://www.google.com/patents?id=Lt1PAA ... it#PPP6,M1

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are you saying this may be too complex, or unnecessarily complex? That's what's so cool about CNCs :D Those machines are killer, man...You watch a piece of block or bar metal become overwhelmed with liquid during the cutting process, and in no time, you have a work of art...sick.
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are you saying this may be too complex, or unnecessarily complex?
Unnecessarily complex but that's just my opinion and I assure you it's not worth much - as I feel pretty much the same about K baffles and most other designs that involve more effort to make. Hotguns design is what I would build myself, good results minimum effort. I've seen variations that would probably offer some further reductions for not a lot more work. The Monolithic thread was very interesting to follow and the final staggered version arrived at very nice. Like some other's the accuracy question was/is a worrier because of the offset chambers.

As an idea I do like your design and would like to see any results from development or testing. I'm not aware of a commercial design using this layout but think Robert would know (nice sculpture bench!). It's cool that Paco has a similar idea as well - for all I know it may be the Holy Grail in silencing or only yield a few Db's reduction over a simpler design. Why should'nt it be looked at in more depth but no CNC or EDM where I'm standing unfortunatly. :wink:

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shotgundrums wrote:You know something, rsilvers? I'm friggen stumped! WOW! Is that actually a real picture of something that already exists? I swear to God I've never seen that before! Man, thats weird. You gotta be fuckin' with me, dude. There's no way in hell that's real...Because I pulled that bullshit silencer draft outa my head....Once i made all the "J's" i thought to myself, "what about a blast baffle?" AND EVEN THAT s--t'S THE SAME!!..no way... :|
I guess great minds think alike. Sometimes there is just a way to shape something that makes sense.
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LOL.. Nice work silvers.
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rsilvers wrote:
shotgundrums wrote:You know something, rsilvers? I'm friggen stumped! WOW! Is that actually a real picture of something that already exists? I swear to God I've never seen that before! Man, thats weird. You gotta be fuckin' with me, dude. There's no way in hell that's real...Because I pulled that bullshit silencer draft outa my head....Once i made all the "J's" i thought to myself, "what about a blast baffle?" AND EVEN THAT s--t'S THE SAME!!..no way... :|
I guess great minds think alike. Sometimes there is just a way to shape something that makes sense.
Same thing happened to me. I thought of a design that would divert the gases back on themselves kind of like a snail shell pattern, even drew it out and was trying to figure out how to make it. I've had it in my mind for years without letting out my secret cause someday I was going to get into making suppressors with that design. When I got close to getting my license I bought several books and started checking patents. Dang!! Maxim beat me to it! :twisted: . Never seen his design anywhere before. I guess great minds do think alike. :wink: only I'm a little slower.
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Anti-venom,

You guys in Oregon need to learn how to spell, it's Milwaukee not Milwaukie. :lol:
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Holy crap this is killing me!! :lol:
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jreinke wrote:Anti-venom,

You guys in Oregon need to learn how to spell, it's Milwaukee not Milwaukie. :lol:
When the town was named they noticed it was spelled wrong in the other state so they corrected it. :D :lol:
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