F1 .50 can

JacksonBrowne · Post by **JacksonBrowne** » Thu Apr 03, 2008 9:35 am

Any updates?

JohnnyO · Post by **JohnnyO** » Thu Apr 03, 2008 4:42 pm

Finally finished the mount/muzzle brake and now just waiting on some more ti for the baffles, should be here tomorrow.

BigDave@SMDW,LLC · Post by **BigDave@SMDW,LLC** » Thu Apr 03, 2008 8:24 pm

Is that one of those HK's with the AK mag conversion hanging on the wall? How do you like that critter?

By the way, that is a really nice looking can you are building too!!!!

Dave

JohnnyO · Post by **JohnnyO** » Thu Apr 03, 2008 9:21 pm

It's a SW 52 7.62x39 made by the infamous Special Weapons, they only made like 750 of them, surprisingly in runs great and is one of my favorites to drop the sear in.

jimmym40a2 · Post by **jimmym40a2** » Fri Apr 04, 2008 8:17 am

Very nice. what is the steel your using on the outer tube and how thick and what dia. thanks.......

James Jones · Post by **James Jones** » Fri Apr 04, 2008 9:35 am

I just read an artical on the AAC Cyclops on a MAC 50 , they raved about how well it work for its weight which is still 5lbs but considering the size on that thing it impressive.

Your brake/barrel adapter unit looks kinda like what i have in mind for a 12"x1.5" 300 winmag can

what parts of your silencer are you making from Ti to save weight>?

lawless · Post by **lawless** » Fri Apr 04, 2008 9:52 am

Probably none. I know it was on a bolt rifle but at SHOT it was on an m2 which would lead me to believe its not Ti.

JohnnyO · Post by **JohnnyO** » Sat Apr 05, 2008 2:26 pm

muzzle brake, baffles and 4 out of 6 spacers are Ti.

James Jones · Post by **James Jones** » Sat Apr 05, 2008 2:44 pm

Jonny , do you have any concerns about the baffels or the break eroding prematurely from the initial blast? What grade is it?

I have heard that Ti is not the best thing to use as baffels as it gets weak as it gets realy hot , my thinging though is that the heat that a bolt of single shot rifle will put on it they should be fine

JohnnyO · Post by **JohnnyO** » Sat Apr 05, 2008 4:25 pm

Grade 5 and yes I do have concerns but I figured what the hell and try it and if it does show rapid erosion I'll replace it with 316 or 17-4, I plan on doing some testing on just the brake when I get some time.
If you do a google search you'll see that there are quite a few Ti muzzle brakes out there including ones for 50's, and the Canadian military has some all Ti 338 cans in service.
I think for a bolt gun I should be fine.

Post by **silencertalk** » Sat Apr 05, 2008 8:46 pm

I only said Ti was bad for rapid fire applications.

James Jones · Post by **James Jones** » Sat Apr 05, 2008 10:21 pm

I was only wondering because I'm having the same desgine ideas for a silencer build for a big 30 cal ,like 300 win and 30-338 Lapua imp and was planning to ue alot of titanium for the majority of the build , like the tube , end cap and most of the baffels only using 316 for the threaded end cap for attaching to the gun and a 718 inconell baffle for the inital blast. and maybe the brake but its such a pain the but to machine ,I like the idea of the brake made into the barrel adapter

paco ramirez · Post by **paco ramirez** » Sat Apr 05, 2008 11:42 pm

Ti is fine for a bolt gun. It is light, strong, but doesn't stand up to heat well. Since bolt gun cans rarely get really hot, Ti is a good choice for them.

lawless · Post by **lawless** » Sun Apr 06, 2008 10:33 am

I know its just bad for rapid use but at SHOT you had it on an M2 so I assumed it would stand for full auto and not just bolt. That is what it would lead one to believe.

jimmym40a2 · Post by **jimmym40a2** » Sun Apr 06, 2008 11:40 am

what is the thickness and Dia and type of steel your using for the outer tube? thanks

Conqueror · Post by **Conqueror** » Sun Apr 06, 2008 3:50 pm

lawless101aa wrote:I know its just bad for rapid use but at SHOT you had it on an M2 so I assumed it would stand for full auto and not just bolt. That is what it would lead one to believe.

The Cyclops is not made of Ti. You're confusing it with the Titan, which is available in Ti but is not a .50 can.

lawless · Post by **lawless** » Sun Apr 06, 2008 4:55 pm

Conqueror wrote:
lawless101aa wrote:I know its just bad for rapid use but at SHOT you had it on an M2 so I assumed it would stand for full auto and not just bolt. That is what it would lead one to believe.
The Cyclops is not made of Ti. You're confusing it with the Titan, which is available in Ti but is not a .50 can.

Go up a few posts. We are talking about the cyclops and it is made of Ti in parts. Silvers says so.

Conqueror · Post by **Conqueror** » Sun Apr 06, 2008 7:42 pm

Silvers only has one post in this thread and it does not say anything about the Cyclops. If you look at the Cyclops in the new AAC catalog it is listed as made of alloy steel, not Ti. Same with the AAC website.

lawless · Post by **lawless** » Sun Apr 06, 2008 9:08 pm

James Jones wrote:I just read an artical on the AAC Cyclops on a MAC 50 , they raved about how well it work for its weight which is still 5lbs but considering the size on that thing it impressive.

Your brake/barrel adapter unit looks kinda like what i have in mind for a 12"x1.5" 300 winmag can

what parts of your silencer are you making from Ti to save weight>?

Uh the original question was about the cyclops and thats what we were talking about jesus. I assume this is the question Silvers was answering. I saw no mention of a 300 or a Titan. Where the hell did you get the notion I was talking about a Titan. Parts of the Cyclops are made of Ti. At the SHOT show they had it on an M2 which would lead me to believe it was all steel. However seeing the question asked and how it was answered I assume it was a prop. Just a oooo lookey thing. Robert can you clarify if some parts of the Cyclops are Ti.

Conqueror · Post by **Conqueror** » Sun Apr 06, 2008 9:24 pm

^^^No, that question was directed to the OP, who is F1ing most of his can from Ti. He was asking, "Hey JohnnyO, what parts are you making from Ti on your F1 can?" Then you showed up and said "Probably none, since they had it on an M2 at SHOT." You were talking about a totally different can. Robert hadn't even posted yet in this thread, why would James have been asking about the Cyclops?

I have never, not once, seen any post or statement from any AAC employee that suggests any part of the Cyclops is made from Ti. AAC lists every material in a can (look at the catalog entry for the M4-1000, it says "Inconel and Stainless"). The Cyclops page says only "Alloy Steel."

JohnnyO · Post by **JohnnyO** » Sun Apr 06, 2008 9:57 pm

Everybody relax, yes he was asking me what parts I was making out of ti for my can not the Cyclops.

Tube is 4130 3"OD X 20" Long, the original wall was .188

James Jones · Post by **James Jones** » Sun Apr 06, 2008 9:59 pm

I posted about the Cyclops being made for Ti as I had reciently read an atrical about that silencer tested on a 50BMG from McMillan

the can is huge , like 16" lonmg and 2.5" OD yet only weighs 5lbs ,or so it was stated in the artical as was that the majority of its make up was titanium and thats the reason for its light weight and near $3000 price tag.

jimmym40a2 · Post by **jimmym40a2** » Sun Apr 06, 2008 10:32 pm

Thanks Johnny O for the tube dimensions

lawless · Post by **lawless** » Sun Apr 06, 2008 10:43 pm

Ok I didnt think Johnny O was the original poster.NVM

Kevin/AAC · Post by **Kevin/AAC** » Sun Apr 06, 2008 11:10 pm

The Cyclops is NOT Ti. Not even a little bit... Sorry for any confusion.