Integral Form 1 question

bigbigpig · Post by **bigbigpig** » Sun Mar 06, 2011 3:23 pm

If I'm doing a form 1 integral do I have to use the host guns serial number?

Bowen1911 · Post by **Bowen1911** » Sun Mar 06, 2011 3:29 pm

no. the silencer has to be engraved, not the gun it will be on. They will accept any serial number that has at least one numerical character.

Bendersquint · Post by **Bendersquint** » Mon Mar 07, 2011 4:41 pm

Bowen1911 wrote:no. the silencer has to be engraved, not the gun it will be on. They will accept any serial number that has at least one numerical character.

He said INTEGRAL.....

As long as it is permanently attached to the host gun you can use the serial number of the host gun. Just can't be removable if the tube isn't engraved. What i would suggest is engrave the host gun serial on the tube itself that way you can take it off to clean.

Nothing out there saying you can't use the host serial for an integral. Just have the engraving done on the underside of the tube so its less visible.

-B

JimmyB · Post by **JimmyB** » Mon Mar 07, 2011 5:57 pm

I’m looking at doing an integral myself.

Do you put the tube length as the suppressor length or the length of the barrel since the barrel is the suppressor?

What I’m considering using is a 16.5” barrel with the tube coming back over the barrel 11”
The barrel will have slant baffles cut into it
The total length will still be 16.5

Bendersquint · Post by **Bendersquint** » Mon Mar 07, 2011 9:55 pm

JimmyB wrote:I’m looking at doing an integral myself.

Do you put the tube length as the suppressor length or the length of the barrel since the barrel is the suppressor?

What I’m considering using is a 16.5” barrel with the tube coming back over the barrel 11”
The barrel will have slant baffles cut into it
The total length will still be 16.5

My understanding is that if the tube is removable that it is the length of the suppressor, in your case it will be 11"

-B

Bowen1911 · Post by **Bowen1911** » Mon Mar 07, 2011 10:10 pm

I have decided if i ever decide to make an integral, to be safe and put the barrel length for the overall length, because if it is a removable barrel, there is no way they could pin me for having something longer than what i marked down

JimmyB · Post by **JimmyB** » Tue Mar 08, 2011 6:21 am

The removable barrel is the sticky part

The host will be a Ruger 10/22. The barrel can easily be removed and installed on any receiver
This would make the whole thing(barrel and tube) a suppressor

Bendersquint · Post by **Bendersquint** » Tue Mar 08, 2011 9:18 am

JimmyB wrote:The removable barrel is the sticky part

The host will be a Ruger 10/22. The barrel can easily be removed and installed on any receiver
This would make the whole thing(barrel and tube) a suppressor

For your case where its a 10/22, you can use the serial number from the host rifle no problem as it most likely doesn't exist in the NFA database. Just make sure you engrave that serial number on the tube of the suppressor(along with other pertinent info), if you want them to have the same serial. If not then pick a serial for your can, engrave your data and call it a day.

How are you planning on permanently attaching the tube?

-B

mg81 · Post by **mg81** » Tue Mar 08, 2011 5:35 pm

For the length I would use the length of the suppressor tube.

I have several integrals from a well know manufacturer some user serviceable and some permanently sealed. The length on my Form 4 is the tube length on all the forms.

I assume the manufacture went to the effort to talk with ATF and fill out the form 4 the way ATF wanted them to.

Also if you ever get annoyed with your host rifle or barrel you can switch around the suppressor to another host rifle/barrel. The firearm is not part of the suppressor. A rifle with a threaded and/or ported barrel is not a registered part, at least not yet.

Schlafftablett · Post by **Schlafftablett** » Thu Mar 10, 2011 6:13 am

Mine is on a bolt gun and the tube is welded to the barrel so I suppose it's kinda removable albeit not easily. In any case I used the tube length.

redtazdog · Post by **redtazdog** » Thu Mar 10, 2011 11:02 am

Schlafftablett wrote:Mine is on a bolt gun and the tube is welded to the barrel so I suppose it's kinda removable albeit not easily. In any case I used the tube length.

I think because your barrel and tube are one after welding it should be the OAL of both not just the tube.
Example is the shrouded barrel like the TacSol SBX barrel is 16 inches even with only a 12" barrel,
or a 14.5 AR barrel with a permatached flashider that makes it 16"
All three of my SRT integrals are on the forms as the total length of the barrel and can because of the weld.

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