AAC PILOT DISASSEMBLY PHOTOS

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AAC PILOT DISASSEMBLY PHOTOS

Post by volkstech » Fri Mar 09, 2012 8:07 pm

i have lots of photos of an aac pilot disassembled with how to make tools, ect
how do i post the photos?

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Post by delta9mda » Fri Mar 09, 2012 8:33 pm

put the photos on photobucket and then load them here.
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Post by volkstech » Fri Mar 09, 2012 8:54 pm

i loaded photos to photobucket. could you please give me a little more info on how to post them here? thanks

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Post by Dan Carey » Fri Mar 09, 2012 9:10 pm

Copy IMAGE code from the picture on Photobucket, paste in here, hit submit and you will see your picture.
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Post by kalikraven » Fri Mar 09, 2012 10:05 pm

I plan on either taking mine apart or sending it off so these pics could help me. Thanks
Going a little more discrete here due to some of my opinions...

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Post by volkstech » Fri Mar 09, 2012 10:11 pm

this is the tool i made to remove the crush ring in the blast chamber


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Post by chrismartin » Fri Mar 09, 2012 10:43 pm

Neat, thanks for posting the pictures.

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Post by SRM » Fri Mar 09, 2012 11:06 pm

That thing sure was crudded up! Good thing you opened it when you did.
How many rounds in that can?
Imgur works good for pics too.

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Post by volkstech » Fri Mar 09, 2012 11:50 pm

that was only 3500 rds. the can soaked for a week in kroil then a week in clp. i will post pics of how bad it really was. the inside of the k baffels were almost solid.
i broached the front endcap with a 5/16" allen. i only drilled half way through the endcap so that the exit diameter is the same and the sound quality is the same. the red locktite must be heated up a lot to get the caps off without damage.

you can see that the lead filled most of the baffels
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Post by volkstech » Sat Mar 10, 2012 12:04 am

i held the tube in a 1" collet. i made a spacer with a slit in it to clamp on the rear endcap. no amount of soaking helped at all. heat is your friend.
i have more pics and info if anyone want to see them. i hope this helps someone. BTW the bore diameter of the baffels was .275" for every baffel.
the baffel in the blast chamber has a dater hole. the baffels were 180 degrees to each other in the stack.
this is after glass blasting
oh yeah, i guess i should mention that i had to make a pusher tool to press out the stack. it was literally soldered to the tube.
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Post by STL/N.E.R.D.S. » Sat Mar 10, 2012 12:51 am

Nice work and pics. thanks.

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Post by Bendersquint » Sat Mar 10, 2012 1:24 am

Not all Pilot's have a dater hole in the blast baffle..

What ammo were you shooting? I haven't seen a Pilot with 3500 rounds come that clean no matter what is done to them, the ammo must have been a really soft lead.

This should also be in the SilencerTalk section not the silencersmithing section though.

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Post by volkstech » Sat Mar 10, 2012 1:35 am

most of the time i just shoot remington bulk pack or cci mini mags. i didn't keep a log of rounds fired. but it was approx 6 boxs. the can weighed about 7 oz full of crud. it was noticeably noiser filled with lead. i thought because it was about maintenance that it should be posted here.
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Post by Bendersquint » Sat Mar 10, 2012 1:53 am

volkstech wrote:most of the time i just shoot remington bulk pack or cci mini mags. i didn't keep a log of rounds fired. but it was approx 6 boxs. the can weighed about 7 oz full of crud. it was noticeably noiser filled with lead. i thought because it was about maintenance that it should be posted here.
can i move the post?
A mod can move it if they want.

Silencersmithing is about making silencers.

I am surprised to hear the type of ammo used. We have jailbroken cans with less rounds than you are thinking that are through yours and the baffles are solid lead and nothing helps to get them clean. I know that Remington Subsonics leave alot of buildup fast on K's.

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Post by volkstech » Sat Mar 10, 2012 2:28 am

i had soaked the can from time to time in kroil and clp. just as a side note, i take my tac inv quest apart every 1500-2000 rds and it is never even close to this dirty.

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Post by Historian » Sat Mar 10, 2012 9:22 am

Standing 'O' , volkstech, for achievement and presentation.

Consider using Permatex Anti-Seize on parts to ease next
disassembly.

Presumably your push-rod had the holding bushing threaded 1/2 x 28 to
anchor it at the back?

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Post by Capt. Link. » Sat Mar 10, 2012 10:33 am

Historian wrote:Standing 'O' , volkstech, for achievement and presentation.

Consider using Permatex Anti-Seize on parts to ease next
disassembly.

Presumably your push-rod had the holding bushing threaded 1/2 x 28 to
anchor it at the back?
Use the high temp copper flavor for best results!
I use a little CLP every time I shoot and it keeps them cleaner.
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Post by volkstech » Sat May 12, 2012 1:50 am

thank you for the kind comments. i have more info if anyone is interested. as a side note.
i used this same technique to jailbreak a friends can with the same good results.

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Post by elginrunner » Sat May 12, 2012 5:16 am

I'd be interested in any additional information you might have. Its a great job on the post and thanks for taking the time to do it.

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Post by Enfield577 » Sat May 12, 2012 5:45 am

Good post, looking at the cleaned parts, looks like they have been sand or bead blasted ???
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Post by volkstech » Sat May 12, 2012 9:05 am

the parts were cleaned with very fine glass beads.

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Post by Bendersquint » Sat May 12, 2012 11:13 am

volkstech wrote:i used this same technique to jailbreak a friends can with the same good results.
You are crossing the line into doing work that requires an FFL/SOT. This is NOT a repair so broaching if it increases the diameter of the exit bore can be classified as changing calibers.

You are modifying a suppressor without being a licensee.

You were fine doing your own personal property but as soon as you did a suppressor that is not legally yours you crossed the line.

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Post by volkstech » Sat May 12, 2012 11:27 pm

as you can see the exit hole was not increased in dia. the hole is only drilled half way into the endcap and then broached. that way no law is violated and no change in sound quality.
i thought i explained that in my original post.

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Post by volkstech » Sat May 12, 2012 11:39 pm

as an added note. my friend did the actual work on his can as i didn't want the responsibility if damage occured.
i can assure you that his endcap also retained it's original diameter. cleaning and doing maintence should not a
red flag. this was posted just to help others clean their can without damage. i realize that Bendersquint charges
to do this work. i was not trying to take business away from him. sorry if i hurt anyones feelings.

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Post by Bendersquint » Sun May 13, 2012 2:00 am

volkstech wrote:as an added note. my friend did the actual work on his can as i didn't want the responsibility if damage occured.
i can assure you that his endcap also retained it's original diameter. cleaning and doing maintence should not a
red flag. this was posted just to help others clean their can without damage. i realize that Bendersquint charges
to do this work. i was not trying to take business away from him. sorry if i hurt anyones feelings.
This has ZERO to do with what professional services I offer or not. I do offer these services and the results are professional and some manufacturers have been known to still honor their warranty after we do the work, definitely not the case on home jailbreaks. Home jailbreak guarantees your warranty is toast.

The ATF has no problem with manufacturers doing this work(since we are licensed to do so), they do not like individuals modifying their own suppressors.

The more people that do it themselves the closer we are to a new ruling, what tax should we call when there is a ruling stating only manufacturers can service cans and it requires a transfer?

Cleaning and doing maintenance on a suppressor that wasn't manufactured for cleaning or maintenance is becoming a grey area, and the ATF is working on things to deal with it.

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