Balls!!!

Yes, it can be legal to make a silencer. For everything Form-1, from silencer designs that are easily made, to filing forms with the BATF, to 3D modeling. Remember, you must have an approved BATF Form-1 to make a silencer. All NFA laws apply.

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Balls!!!

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Re: Balls!!!

Post by the1mavin » Tue Apr 10, 2012 10:13 pm

"Anodized cover is available with the purchase for more info email me for pics and video of how it works." -- wow!

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Post by 45XDC » Tue Apr 10, 2012 10:19 pm

the1mavin wrote:"Anodized cover is available with the purchase for more info email me for pics and video of how it works." -- wow!

Damn, I missed that! Why are you guys going through all that trouble when you can buy 'em for under $150.00. I would not touch it if it were free; ATF sting or a REAL dumb @$$! A hundred and fifty bucks aint worth the "Ten in the Pen"

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Re: Balls!!!

Post by CCasket » Tue Apr 10, 2012 11:08 pm

What a moron. :roll: That's just asking for trouble. BATFE is going to spank him.
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Post by Wicked » Wed Apr 11, 2012 12:44 am

Location: Nicosia,CY, Cyprus

He ain't in the USA.

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Post by SRM » Wed Apr 11, 2012 7:13 am

I wouldn`t want an aluminum muzzle brake anyhow.

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Post by Historian » Wed Apr 11, 2012 7:58 am

Please, Give Me A Break! :)

In the distance I hear "Schmuck Alert, Schmuck Alert".

Oh well we do need a good laugh once in a while.

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Post by doubloon » Wed Apr 11, 2012 8:47 am

I don't see the problem.

He clearly states it is for airguns only. :roll:
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Re: Balls!!!

Post by ghostdog662 » Wed Apr 11, 2012 11:20 am

The problem is he is offering a cover for it.
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Post by Dan Carey » Wed Apr 11, 2012 11:21 am

I don't see a problem until you make it something the seller didn't advertise it to be. After all, he may live in a less oppressive country where anything is possible.

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Post by mbogo » Wed Apr 11, 2012 1:18 pm

As was already pointed out, the item is located in Nicosia, Cyprus.

BATFE rules and NFA do not apply until the item reaches these shores.

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Post by Libertarian_Geek » Wed Apr 11, 2012 1:21 pm

mbogo wrote:As was already pointed out, the item is located in Nicosia, Cyprus.

BATFE rules and NFA do not apply until the item reaches these shores.

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True, but it violates several of eBay's policies. (For what that's worth)
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Post by mbogo » Wed Apr 11, 2012 1:39 pm

Libertarian_Geek wrote:
mbogo wrote:As was already pointed out, the item is located in Nicosia, Cyprus.

BATFE rules and NFA do not apply until the item reaches these shores.

mbogo
True, but it violates several of eBay's policies. (For what that's worth)
How so? It's a muzzle brake, which is permitted on eBay. He is not selling the anodized cover on eBay.

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Post by Libertarian_Geek » Wed Apr 11, 2012 2:43 pm

mbogo wrote:
Libertarian_Geek wrote:
mbogo wrote:As was already pointed out, the item is located in Nicosia, Cyprus.

BATFE rules and NFA do not apply until the item reaches these shores.

mbogo
True, but it violates several of eBay's policies. (For what that's worth)
How so? It's a muzzle brake, which is permitted on eBay. He is not selling the anodized cover on eBay.

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The fact of the matter is that it won't matter what "ebay user: parisd20" or what "silencertalk user: mbogo" choose to call the item. The only relevant definitions at play are ebay's, the BATFE's, US Custom's, and the US State Department's. These parties are not known for their conservative or gun friendly definitions when it comes to restrictions.

The BATFE considers it a silencer.
It's against eBay's policy to post silencers for sale.

Also, flash hiders are covered under ITAR part 121 which makes it fall under eBay's domestic only sales policy. I can check, but I'd bet that silencers and silencer parts are covered under ITAR part 121 too.
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Post by doubloon » Wed Apr 11, 2012 3:32 pm

mbogo wrote:...
How so? It's a muzzle brake, which is permitted on eBay. He is not selling the anodized cover on eBay.

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He is advertising on ebay that the cover is "available with the purchase", effectively is advertising the sale of firearms on ebay even if he is not listing the completed firearm in its entirety.

This seems similar to listing a rifle stock and saying "barrel and receiver available with purchase".

It may not be an explicit violation but it's at least a snub at the rules.
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Re: Balls!!!

Post by Bendersquint » Wed Apr 11, 2012 4:32 pm

This guy has been selling them for a loooong time, this is just the newest variation.

All are labeled as muzzle brakes, one he sold awhile ago was a full K baffle stack in a perforated tube, and he threw in the anodized tube that covered the perforated tube.

In regards to the ATF's interpretation of it it doesn't matter if its labeled as a muzzlebrake or a pound of sausage, it is still by USA standard a silencer component and can not be imported or sold for that matter IN THE US.

All about the intention of the part. The Oring at the base is pretty explicit on proving that there is supposed to be a tube around it even if the ATF didn't read the description.

I am aware of 2 that were sold to US persons and were subsequently turned over to the ATF upon realizing the implications.

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Post by epicdoom » Wed Apr 11, 2012 7:02 pm

looks nice at least The O-Ring is a dead give away that a tube is part of the device. Ebay usualy doesnt bother with stuff unless someone complaines

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Post by jreinke » Thu Apr 12, 2012 7:06 am

Bendersquint wrote:I am aware of 2 that were sold to US persons and were subsequently turned over to the ATF upon realizing the implications.
Voluntarily or under duress? :lol:
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Re: Balls!!!

Post by epicdoom » Thu Apr 12, 2012 8:40 am

Vid of his suppressor on the tube for sure suppressor
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1yzws1gRdm0&lr=1
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Re: Balls!!!

Post by sonmtn » Thu Apr 12, 2012 8:54 pm

OK givin he is looking for trouble
That design doesn't look to me to be very effective.
Would it work?
The air guns in the video are quite to begin with so i don't see his claim
to fame here. But hea i guess if he can peddle them somewhere, other than the U.S.
more power to him.
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Post by epicdoom » Fri Apr 13, 2012 9:19 am

only thing I noticed with the suppressor on is a ping sound. As far as making the reduction in noise I didn't hear any difference in noise lvl. I noticed in the video tho he refers to the device as a silencer and on ebay he calls it a muzzle brake


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Post by Bendersquint » Fri Apr 13, 2012 10:42 am

epicdoom wrote:only thing I noticed with the suppressor on is a ping sound. As far as making the reduction in noise I didn't hear any difference in noise lvl. I noticed in the video tho he refers to the device as a silencer and on ebay he calls it a muzzle brake


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Of course he refers to it as a muzzle brake, silencers are illegal on ebay! :roll:

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