"Threadless Tube" Suppressor using Baffles ...

[TinCanMan]

meh, sorry. I´m not a tactical guy.

I realized after posting that indoors, they´d want more suppression for sure and that taking off baffles would be a trade-off. But i was to lazy to edit it.

Wheter or not the cons outweigh the pros... well that´s always a question of what you want it to do and where you live. I don´t need it. But others may need or want it and can live with the drawbacks. (and they buy those things in other countries obviously, so there must be something to it.)

AFAIK, in Germany where that thing is from, it´s very hard to even get a permit for ONE can. So to a German it might make a lot more sense to have one .308 can that can be shortened when used on a 5.56 because there´s less expansion room required to suppress the smaller cal. to a decent level. Of course you can also put a full lenght .308 can on a 5.56, but you will always have the longer and heavier can hanging from it with no choice to shorten it/make it lighter.

Like i said, it´s not for everyone but some people out there seem to have a use for it.

[ghostdog662]

Maybe my thinking is wrong, but doubling the weight of something on the end of a rifle to subtract an inch and a half isn't worth it, tactical situation or not.

I would think in these terms. Find the length of suppressor needed to achieve reasonably good suppression and add one more baffle to that. That would be your go-to can for almost all situations. If you need the ultimate suppression just add 2 more baffles where the added weight isn't a deal breaker.

[wolf]

I cant say for sure
but adding extra parts or remove them again , would properly change the point of impact

EVEN if you did know how it was last time , i can assure you that threads not always end up at the same point every time
that alone could change the point of impact

to many chances for mister Murphy for my likening

for real life use ,,,,keep it simple

[alemonkey]

I can't imagine the potential variations in point of impact would be worth any advantage gained in shortening or lengthening a can "on the fly".

[PaulNoiseLess]

Hi,

Alemonkey, Wolf, Ghostdog662, ... and some other Kids:

Have you ever Designed, Build and Tested a “Tubeless Suppressor” ?

How can you talk about Suppressors you have never tested nor seen nor built ?

You Kids need more School time and less Internet time.

Paul

[Bendersquint]

Hi,

Alemonkey, Wolf, Ghostdog662, ... and some other Kids:

Have you ever Designed, Build and Tested a “Tubeless Suppressor” ?

How can you talk about Suppressors you have never tested nor seen nor built ?

You Kids need more School time and less Internet time.

Paul

Most of the people that live in this forum don't have the legal ability to but I know several manufacturers that have tried it and weren't happy with the results. None were anywhere near as dramatic as your design though.

[ghostdog662]

So many failure points introduced into the can by all the threaded sections make it something I would never waste my time on. It's just asking to explode if it isn't beefy enough. The rigidity of a solid tube is done for a reason.

[wolf]

Hi,

Alemonkey, Wolf, Ghostdog662, ... and some other Kids:

Have you ever Designed, Build and Tested a “Tubeless Suppressor” ?

How can you talk about Suppressors you have never tested nor seen nor built ?

You Kids need more School time and less Internet time.

Paul

i used to be a machinist for a living
it took 3 1/2 years to get my papers that did say i was so (machinist)

i know from several of you post that you dont seem to fully understand things you let other people pay money for when they buy you plans

what part of my last post(not this one) do you not understand this time

just ask

[PaulNoiseLess]

Hi,

So, What are you now: A “soup or salad” guy or a “full tank, please” guy ?

Now that you have the time, don’t waste it @ internet: Go to school !

Paul

[wolf]

i feel sorry for the people who pay you because they believe you

you are soo stupid that you even dont know it

THATS the worst part of it

[Historian]

To be, like Bill O'Reilly, irritatingly fair and balanced, there is a grain ( 1/437.5 oz) of
truth in decrying those who have never built a can and tested it but have the affront
to actually make technical judgements on the proffered design.

But the counter argument contains come possibilities:

1. Having access to the full spectrum of a hundred years of design and testing
and the extensive tests associated with many shapes, calibers, and calibers.
Thanks Major and Frankford Arsenal testing.

2. Having the technical background in interior ballistics and shape charges and access to
MIL testing to intelligently extrapolate and come to reliable estimates.

3. In some few cases being privy to tests without the need to parade information to
open fora where, as the past has so plentifully shown, has a -2 SIGMA set of folks
one would not want to be associated with let alone share any information.
Integrity and trust are hard to earn but so easy to loose.

4. Knowing, for example, without actually testing ... wow... that the genetically challenged inbred
who turn a pump water soaker into a shot gun are blessedly candidates to the Darwin Awards this year.

LP ( Long Playing ) Cleaning time.

[wolf]

To be, like Bill O'Reilly, irritatingly fair and balanced, there is a grain ( 1/437.5 oz) of
truth in decrying those who have never built a can and tested it but have the affront
to actually make technical judgements on the proffered design.

But the counter argument contains come possibilities:

1. Having access to the full spectrum of a hundred years of design and testing
and the extensive tests associated with many shapes, calibers, and calibers.
Thanks Major and Frankford Arsenal testing.

2. Having the technical background in interior ballistics and shape charges and access to
MIL testing to intelligently extrapolate and come to reliable estimates.

3. In some few cases being privy to tests without the need to parade information to
open fora where, as the past has so plentifully shown, has a -2 SIGMA set of folks
one would not want to be associated with let alone share any information.
Integrity and trust are hard to earn but so easy to loose.

4. Knowing, for example, without actually testing ... wow... that the genetically challenged inbred
who turn a pump water soaker into a shot gun are blessedly candidates to the Darwin Awards this year.

LP ( Long Playing ) Cleaning time.

i dont quite get you here

are you saying that you HAVE to test everything to know the outcome ??

Ar you saying one can not not know things for sure even having not tested it ??

[Bendersquint]

i dont quite get you here

are you saying that you HAVE to test everything to know the outcome ??

Ar you saying one can not not know things for sure even having not tested it ??

If you are making a product you need to test it and prove everything before you attempt to profit off of it, or you end up with some pissed customers and a bad reputation(as we have seen rather recently).

[wolf]

i dont quite get you here

are you saying that you HAVE to test everything to know the outcome ??

Ar you saying one can not not know things for sure even having not tested it ??

If you are making a product you need to test it and prove everything before you attempt to profit off of it, or you end up with some pissed customers and a bad reputation(as we have seen rather recently).

sure you have

that was not the point

my Q was if you NEED to test something to know what is going to happen

I personally mean that quiet often you dont have to

and it seems i am not the only one in this thread (Gotta love the stacked tolerances. )

Historian sound like he mean otherwise

[PaulNoiseLess]

If you are making a product you need to test it and prove everything before you attempt to profit off of it, or you end up with some pissed customers and a bad reputation(as we have seen rather recently).

Hi,

^^^^
This explains why you are the only “Manufacturer ??????” in the Market not having products to sale and just making money Jailbreaking real ones !: You couldn’t get one working by your own !

Paul



Paul

[Bendersquint]

If you are making a product you need to test it and prove everything before you attempt to profit off of it, or you end up with some pissed customers and a bad reputation(as we have seen rather recently).

Hi,

^^^^
This explains why you are the only “Manufacturer ??????” in the Market not having products to sale and just making money Jailbreaking real ones !: You couldn’t get one working by your own !

Paul



Paul

Not quite Paul, nice try though.

[Schulze]

If you are making a product you need to test it and prove everything before you attempt to profit off of it, or you end up with some pissed customers and a bad reputation(as we have seen rather recently).

Hi,

^^^^
This explains why you are the only “Manufacturer ??????” in the Market not having products to sale and just making money Jailbreaking real ones !: You couldn’t get one working by your own !

Paul



Paul

Seriously?

[delta9mda]

If you are making a product you need to test it and prove everything before you attempt to profit off of it, or you end up with some pissed customers and a bad reputation(as we have seen rather recently).

Hi,

^^^^
This explains why you are the only “Manufacturer ??????” in the Market not having products to sale and just making money Jailbreaking real ones !: You couldn’t get one working by your own !

Paul



Paul

the douche is strong in you today. im pretty certain that bender has done more working cans than we know about and the jail breaking is a service for those that want it.

[ChimeraPrecision]

Dafuq are you talking about paul? Seems to me this man has a can.

[Historian]

To be, like Bill O'Reilly, irritatingly fair and balanced, there is a grain ( 1/437.5 oz) of
truth in decrying those who have never built a can and tested it but have the affront
to actually make technical judgements on the proffered design.

But the counter argument contains come possibilities:

1. Having access to the full spectrum of a hundred years of design and testing
and the extensive tests associated with many shapes, calibers, and calibers.
Thanks Major and Frankford Arsenal testing.

2. Having the technical background in interior ballistics and shape charges and access to
MIL testing to intelligently extrapolate and come to reliable estimates.

3. In some few cases being privy to tests without the need to parade information to
open fora where, as the past has so plentifully shown, has a -2 SIGMA set of folks
one would not want to be associated with let alone share any information.
Integrity and trust are hard to earn but so easy to loose.

4. Knowing, for example, without actually testing ... wow... that the genetically challenged inbred
who turn a pump water soaker into a shot gun are blessedly candidates to the Darwin Awards this year.

LP ( Long Playing ) Cleaning time.

i dont quite get you here

are you saying that you HAVE to test everything to know the outcome ??

Ar you saying one can not not know things for sure even having not tested it ??[/quote]

Wolf,


No. Just the opposite. Sorry for confusion.

The final commercial product must always be tested and survive the QA phase.

My intent was that experienced designers and experimenters from long
experience can make valid inferences without testing each item offered as
the "new break through".

For example, the US Patent Office does not accept applications for Perpetual Motion
Machines because of the second law of thermodynamics ... "cannot get more out than
you put in within a closed system". Even in Australia.

Thus, when the experienced and established developers eschew ( "crap on" ) bad plans
one most likely does not have to build the item to find that it will not work.


Thanks for asking me to clarify.


LP - Linear Program (in standard form)

[Capt. Link.]

Dafuq are you talking about paul? Seems to me this man has a can.

The missing photo's Ive been asking about looks great B.

[ghostdog662]

Paul do you have any weight estimates for each end piece and intermediate baffle?

[Bendersquint]

The missing photo's Ive been asking about looks great B.

Yeah I was going to send you a studio picture of it.....you will still get one though.