Internal pictures of 77/44 integral supressors ?

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Internal pictures of 77/44 integral supressors ?

Post by mob » Sat Aug 04, 2012 6:06 pm

Hey guys was wondering if anyone had any pictures of the internals of a integral suppressor for a ruger 77/44. Was looking at the Tom Denall silent destroyer and he states that his set up is a coaxial design Which is a tube within a tube and the interior tube contains the baffle stack but I'm having trouble visualizing the set up. If anyone can help thanks

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Post by Bendersquint » Sat Aug 04, 2012 7:46 pm

mob wrote:Hey guys was wondering if anyone had any pictures of the internals of a integral suppressor for a ruger 77/44. Was looking at the Tom Denall silent destroyer and he states that his set up is a coaxial design Which is a tube within a tube and the interior tube contains the baffle stack but I'm having trouble visualizing the set up. If anyone can help thanks
Yes, Tom Denali does use a coaxial tube for his 77/44.

Its a pretty interesting design but nothing to spectacular really, just cones and spacers.

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Post by mob » Sat Aug 04, 2012 8:49 pm

I'm more of a visualize type person to understand. Could you draw it out

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Re: Internal pictures of 77/44 integral supressors ?

Post by Wallygator » Sat Aug 04, 2012 9:46 pm

And his 77/44 suppressor is super quiet. I do think the outer tube is offset so you can mount the sight at a lower level.
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Post by Bendersquint » Sat Aug 04, 2012 10:12 pm

Wallygator wrote:And his 77/44 suppressor is super quiet. I do think the outer tube is offset so you can mount the sight at a lower level.
Correct, his design is eccentric.

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Re: Internal pictures of 77/44 integral supressors ?

Post by CharlieBravo » Sat Aug 04, 2012 11:59 pm

It can't be both coaxial and eccentric, or am I missing something?

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Post by mob » Sun Aug 05, 2012 12:07 am

I thought the delisle was eccentric and the Tom denall inline/coaxial

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Post by Bendersquint » Sun Aug 05, 2012 12:11 am

CharlieBravo wrote:It can't be both coaxial and eccentric, or am I missing something?
It most certainly can.

The below picture is an eccentric and coaxial at the same time.

The center tube is in line with the bore of the rifle, and the outer tube is set low so it helps stay out of the sight picture.

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Post by Bendersquint » Sun Aug 05, 2012 12:15 am

mob wrote:I thought the delisle was eccentric and the Tom denall inline/coaxial
Nope.

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Re: Internal pictures of 77/44 integral supressors ?

Post by mob » Sun Aug 05, 2012 1:51 am

In all the YouTube videos I've watched it looks to be centered and not the other one (eccentric ?)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sI6aCnh- ... ata_player

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Post by jreinke » Sun Aug 05, 2012 6:38 am

Bendersquint wrote:
mob wrote:Hey guys was wondering if anyone had any pictures of the internals of a integral suppressor for a ruger 77/44. Was looking at the Tom Denall silent destroyer and he states that his set up is a coaxial design Which is a tube within a tube and the interior tube contains the baffle stack but I'm having trouble visualizing the set up. If anyone can help thanks
Yes, Tom Denali does use a coaxial tube for his 77/44.

Its a pretty interesting design but nothing to spectacular really, just cones and spacers.
Something like the old AWC MK-9 on page 301 of Paulson's Silencer History And Performance, Vol. 1?
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Post by Bendersquint » Sun Aug 05, 2012 11:03 am

mob wrote:In all the YouTube videos I've watched it looks to be centered and not the other one (eccentric ?)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sI6aCnh- ... ata_player
Picture of the end of the silencer.

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Re: Internal pictures of 77/44 integral supressors ?

Post by 10mmmag » Sun Aug 05, 2012 2:58 pm

I guess that the barrel is not free floating in that design. That/s the biggest concern for me when thinking of doing a integral on min, i would need to pu a custom stock on it to make the 1.5inch tube free floating.
What kind of accuracy do you get out of toms design?

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Post by mob » Sun Aug 05, 2012 3:00 pm

How would one machine that exactly.

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Post by Bendersquint » Sun Aug 05, 2012 3:03 pm

Its a tube in a tube, separate operations.

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Post by mob » Sun Aug 05, 2012 3:35 pm

I guess I should of clarified. The endcap and all that

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Post by Bendersquint » Sun Aug 05, 2012 4:29 pm

On a CNC Mill.

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Re: Internal pictures of 77/44 integral supressors ?

Post by twodollarbill » Tue Aug 07, 2012 8:04 pm

With that offset "lowered" design, a lot of meat needs to be removed from the stock. :roll:

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Re: Internal pictures of 77/44 integral supressors ?

Post by kc0myg » Tue Aug 07, 2012 11:08 pm

The term "co-axial", means sharing an axis. To be CO-axial both or all tubes, circles etc. are centered around the same piont (axis, axle). Being offset prevents it from being coaxial. That said it has benifits, one being the ability to offset to clear sight plane.
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Re: Internal pictures of 77/44 integral supressors ?

Post by Bendersquint » Tue Aug 07, 2012 11:26 pm

kc0myg wrote:The term "co-axial", means sharing an axis. To be CO-axial both or all tubes, circles etc. are centered around the same piont (axis, axle). Being offset prevents it from being coaxial. That said it has benifits, one being the ability to offset to clear sight plane.
Help?? :?:
This is coaxial barrel......
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This is coaxial blade.....
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This is a coaxial anti-tank gun and machinegun combo.....
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All of these share the same axis, just on different planes. The Denali Silent Destroyer is no different, same axis just different plane.

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Re: Internal pictures of 77/44 integral supressors ?

Post by wolf » Wed Aug 08, 2012 7:32 am

mob wrote:I guess I should of clarified. The endcap and all that
use a 4 jaw chuck with interdependent moving jaws

old style calculations
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Re: Internal pictures of 77/44 integral supressors ?

Post by wolf » Wed Aug 08, 2012 7:41 am

Sins we are macxhining things
lets keep it to the right terms in machining ,and that is geometry

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Coaxial


if we talk about guns , we know that the right terms are often screwed up , like putting a clip into a 1911 colt pistol :lol: :roll:


Coaxial


A Leclerc tank's coaxial machine gun muzzle above the driver's hatch.
A coaxial mount is mounted beside the primary weapon and thus points in the same general direction as the main armament, relying in the turret's ability to traverse in order to change arc. The term coaxial is a

misnomer

as the arrangement is actually paraxial (i.e., parallel axes, as opposed to the same axis).


from here


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Weapon_mount#Coaxial

in short

if true coaxial , all rings have the same center , like a bulls eye target

but still the can shown is both coaxial AND parallel

the inner can is coaxial to the barrel + the outer part is parallel to the inner can and barrel

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