AK suppressor project is dead, long live the next project!

beerslurpy · Post by **beerslurpy** » Tue Jun 06, 2006 9:02 pm

My plans for a suppressor for the AK fell through due to technical problems (it wouldnt actually be quiet due to gas system) and I decided to make a dedicated subsonic suppressed rifle instead. The goal is minimum sound but good power in a subsonic round.

The choices below are what I came up with at work while daydreaming during compiles. Please share more ideas if you come across any. Also, if anyone has a lead on a rhineland arms 45 kit or a camp carbine, I would jump at a chance to buy it off you.

Caliber choices are:
45 ACP: cheap, subsonic, heavy, tons of mags available for it
45 Long Colt: same as 45 ACP, but rimmed
458 SOCOM: like 45 ACP but 3x the bullet mass and 3x the price per round.

I am torn between doing a semiauto carbine and doing a bolt action carbine. Choices are:
-camp carbine semiauto in 45 ACP with integral can.
-enfield with 45 ACP + 1911 mag conversion and integral can.
-Mech Tech 1911 carbine conversion with integral can.
-AR15 upper in 45 ACP with integral can
-AR15 upper in 458 SOCOM with integral can
-custom bolt gun in 458 socom with integral can

The AR upper options and the custom bolt gun options would be pricey. The enfield plus conversion would be under 300. Camp carbines used to be under 200 now they are like 600 on gunbroker (shitty). Integral suppressor for any of these barrels would be just under 700. I'm aiming for 110-120 decibels.

jonharoy · Post by **jonharoy** » Tue Jun 06, 2006 9:32 pm

Beretta Cx4 Storm in 45?

beerslurpy · Post by **beerslurpy** » Tue Jun 06, 2006 9:48 pm

Isnt the storm expensive as hell?

jonharoy · Post by **jonharoy** » Tue Jun 06, 2006 10:31 pm

about 500 new if you shop around.

beerslurpy · Post by **beerslurpy** » Tue Jun 06, 2006 10:37 pm

Does it accept mags > 7 capacity? It's some funky beretta 45 pistol, right?

Still, 500 is the best price I have heard for a storm. If the price was in the 300-400 range I would be all over it.

jonharoy · Post by **jonharoy** » Tue Jun 06, 2006 11:06 pm

http://www.cx4storm.com/
it holds 8 in 45.

ArevaloSOCOM · Post by **ArevaloSOCOM** » Tue Jun 06, 2006 11:39 pm

Only quiters quit..............

j.k.

beerslurpy · Post by **beerslurpy** » Wed Jun 07, 2006 12:02 am

I didnt quit, I just fooled myself into thinking the project was possible.

Mark was the only SOT that even thought suppressing an AK was worth attempting and this week he finally looked at the gun and changed his mind.

Right now I am annoyed because I thought I had a suppressor sitting on a Form 3 and instead I have nothing. Since this is mostly the result of innocent miscommunication, I will probably wait a while and calm down before I draw any conclusions about this whole mess.

Ben B. · Post by **Ben B.** » Wed Jun 07, 2006 12:28 am

I don't get it. Isn't the BR Tuote Reflex designed and built to work on the Finnish copy of the AK, the Valmet M62? And wasn't Mark up on the Reflex and all that?

http://guns.connect.fi/rs/krsgraaf.html

Ben

beerslurpy · Post by **beerslurpy** » Wed Jun 07, 2006 12:40 am

Yes, you are completely correct. And no, I dont understand why he changed his mind. I sent him pictures in email and links to the gun in addition to sending him the gun in early April. I assumed he had enough information to commit to the job knowing what he was getting into.

But what can I do? Get angry at him for changing his mind? It wouldnt do much good.

Dantheman3660 · Post by **Dantheman3660** » Fri Jun 09, 2006 3:16 am

What about one of the SSK / Whisper projects or maybe Beowulf .50 suppressed (probabley marginally so ) or one of the suppressed 77/44 platforms or a custom Thomson Contender ( admittedly single shot only ). My point is there is multiple suppressable platforms that meet your criteria. Go for it & get what is right for you & for what you will use project gun for.

ranb · Post by **ranb** » Fri Jun 09, 2006 3:54 am

I am currantly working on an enfield with a rhineland arms barrel, and recently purchased a 458 socom upper for my ar-15. I use my 510 whisper can on the enfield. By removing the spacers and stacking the baffles at the end of the can, it is able to completely enclose the barrel nearly back to the barrel nut. The 458 ar-15 uses my form 1 aluminum can. I have not been able to test the 458 can as I live in WA state, and have to wait until I can get to OR or MT. The 510 whisper can on the enfield is a bit too large, and the rifle looks a bit like a funny commando carbine, but it is not loud at all.

Ranb

Intel6 · Post by **Intel6** » Fri Jun 09, 2006 1:51 pm

AR15 upper in .45 ACP and use a Cav Arms lower so you can use 30 rd Grease Gun Mags. Here is a pic of mine, great shooter and tons of fun. Would be better with a can!

Neal in AZ

Dantheman3660 · Post by **Dantheman3660** » Sat Jun 10, 2006 2:02 am

That is a nice setup. where did you get the upper? Gives me an idea for an Suppressed SBR.

Hush · Post by **Hush** » Sat Jun 10, 2006 5:58 am

Yeah that is a nice looking rifle and I like the color scheme.

Intel6 · Post by **Intel6** » Sun Jun 11, 2006 10:49 am

I actually built the upper but you can buy one from Olympic Arms. I have had a Camp Carbine in 45 ACP for many years and my one thing was the limited mag capacity. This fixes that problem x3 and has turned out to be a great conversion. There is a guy who already has suppressed one of these, I think I saw him here on this board?

Hush, I kind of fell into this color because it was the only lower I could get my hands on in short notice. At first I could take it or leave it but now I am liking it. Goes well with the SE AZ desert background.

beerslurpy · Post by **beerslurpy** » Sun Jun 11, 2006 11:13 am

Odd, everyone else has tried to talk me out of a 45acp AR15. How much did it cost?

beerslurpy · Post by **beerslurpy** » Fri Jun 16, 2006 11:53 pm

Ok, I have a cav arms/olympic arms 45 acp setup and a pile of grease gun mags on the way, so this project is back on track.

Dweezil · Post by **Dweezil** » Fri Jul 28, 2006 11:37 am

Ben B. wrote:I don't get it. Isn't the BR Tuote Reflex designed and built to work on the Finnish copy of the AK, the Valmet M62? And wasn't Mark up on the Reflex and all that?

http://guns.connect.fi/rs/krsgraaf.html

Ben

I don't get it either. Why is it that the Finns can do it and SoundTech can't....or do the Finns just have lower expectations for decibel reduction? I understand their emphasis is more on hearing protection for soldiers than "Hollywood quiet." Or does this only work with a large volume, relatively low pressure can? I would assume the back pressure on the AK gas port/piston would be greater/louder with a higher pressure, low volume can. I'm new to this so those of you with more experience please chime in.

SilentMike · Post by **SilentMike** » Fri Jul 28, 2006 1:01 pm

A few years ago, we modified about 50 AK's for a military client. They were Chinese underfolders in 7.62 x 39. We sent the guns to an AK specialist who pulled the barrels and threaded the muzzles. We installed M4-2000 flash hiders and built up some .30 caliber M4 cans. I had always heard AK's were not quiet suppressed, but I have to say when we test fired these I was shocked. They were not as quiet as a an AR pattern gun, but they were surprisingly pleasant to shoot with no ear protection (I started with ears, then took them off when I heard how pleasant they were). The end users were very happy with the results. I saw one in an issue of time last year.

Mike/AAC

mr h · Post by **mr h** » Sat Jul 29, 2006 12:58 am

not sure if my story fits into this thread but i got my ak47 krink (7.62) working just perfect with the aac can. i had to cut slots in the piston head to vent and relieve some of the extra gas created by the can. i was getting ejection patterns that were about 30 to 40 feet prior to the work. now its about half that and it even functions without the silencer.

i can shoot it without ears but it does have a little more sound than my ar15 with 11.5 barrel and m4-2000. not sure if i would call it hear safe but in a pinch witout ears on, its more than quiet enough.

(shameless gun porn),,,

Paranoia · Post by **Paranoia** » Sat Jul 29, 2006 8:36 am

Mr H you said your krink will run without silencer do you mean without any type of flashhider? Just curious sice you messed with the gas tube mine seems super reliable unlike my 7" AR upper.

It looks good I've thought about buying a can for mine, but kind like the concussion LOL

mr h · Post by **mr h** » Sat Jul 29, 2006 9:30 am

when i tested it for function without the can, it had the krinkov style flash hider. the one with the cone shape.

the concussion is something to behold, for sure!

Dweezil · Post by **Dweezil** » Wed Aug 23, 2006 12:54 pm

SilentMike wrote:A few years ago, we modified about 50 AK's for a military client. They were Chinese underfolders in 7.62 x 39. We sent the guns to an AK specialist who pulled the barrels and threaded the muzzles. We installed M4-2000 flash hiders and built up some .30 caliber M4 cans. I had always heard AK's were not quiet suppressed, but I have to say when we test fired these I was shocked. They were not as quiet as a an AR pattern gun, but they were surprisingly pleasant to shoot with no ear protection (I started with ears, then took them off when I heard how pleasant they were). The end users were very happy with the results. I saw one in an issue of time last year.

Mike/AAC

MIke,
Did you have to modify the gas piston head in these weapons or is that only a problem with Krinks?

AK suppressor project is dead, long live the next project!

AK suppressor project is dead, long live the next project!

AK suppressor project dead, love live the next projest

ak suppressor project dead, long live the next project