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Integral Suppress Bolt Action

Post by USMC0351 » Wed Nov 09, 2011 11:26 am

I was given a Ruger 77/44 a while back to have suppressed. It was stolen from a UPS facility while being shipped to be built and I'm looking to replace it. I don't know if I want to use the Ruger or the .44 as my base for my first integrally suppressed rifle, though. My planned use is hog hunting, so I don't want to go with something like a .223 or .308 using subsonic loads as they don't pack much energy (I figure a 180 grain .308 sub-sonic is about the equivalent of a .40S&W). Is there any advantage, besides ballistic coefficient to the 300 BLK over the .44 Magnum, both loaded to subsonic velocities? I'm looking to have John's Guns do the work as I have been on Tom Denall's waiting list forever and just want to get the project done. Any recommendations for easy rifle/caliber combinations for this project? Any experience with the .338 Whisper...launching 300gr. bullets would be great for my needs. Thanks.
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Re: Integral Suppress Bolt Action

Post by Ben B. » Tue Nov 29, 2011 8:18 pm

Consider a .45 integral from SIA? I load 230 gr XTP at 1,000 fps, and if you use .45 Super brass may be able to make or buy .45 Super loads like Buffalo Bore's 255 flat nose leads at 1075 to 1100 fps.

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Re: Integral Suppress Bolt Action

Post by L1A1Rocker » Wed Nov 30, 2011 1:46 am

I've got a 96/44 (lever action) that I plan on building an internal suppressor around eventually. I'm casting these 300gr monsters for it (and my handguns). They really do pack a punch.

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Re: Integral Suppress Bolt Action

Post by USMC0351 » Sun Jan 15, 2012 2:23 pm

I'm really starting to lean towards a .338 Federal with 300gr. hard cast lead bullets. Seems like a pretty economical route since I could also fire factory loads if needed. I wonder why all the companies charge a premium to suppress a subsonic rifle over a subsonic pistol caliber rifle?

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Re: Integral Suppress Bolt Action

Post by rogerme » Mon Jan 16, 2012 3:18 am

Red Jacket makes a .458 socom integrally suppressed for hogs. From what I hear it is not only a game changer but a whole new market has opened up around it. LOL
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Re: Integral Suppress Bolt Action

Post by USMC0351 » Mon Jan 16, 2012 10:51 am

I'm sure it has some knockdown power! I just really want a bolt gun, though. I have considered the .458 SOCOM, but haven't found much info on its use in bolt rifles.

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Re: Integral Suppress Bolt Action

Post by USMC0351 » Mon Jan 16, 2012 11:06 am

Ben B. wrote:Consider a .45 integral from SIA? I load 230 gr XTP at 1,000 fps, and if you use .45 Super brass may be able to make or buy .45 Super loads like Buffalo Bore's 255 flat nose leads at 1075 to 1100 fps.

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I keep checking back, and it looks like they aren't far off from production on a near-replica of the DeLisle, which was the original suppressed rifle that got me interested in Class 3. One is on my wish list, but for this project I'm looking for something that will knock down large hogs. I just don't know if I'm better off sticking with a .44 and essentially loading heavy .44 Specials to make it subsonic with a decent payload, or getting a custom barrel and finding a mould maker to make me 250-300gr. .338 Federal bullets that I can load to subsonic velocities. Both have the option of factory ammo being fired through it at supersonic velocities, though .44 Magnum ammo is plentiful around my house and cheaper than .338 Federal, but the .338 Federal will give me a little more range hunting.

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Re: Integral Suppress Bolt Action

Post by USMC0351 » Mon Jan 16, 2012 11:07 am

L1A1Rocker wrote:I've got a 96/44 (lever action) that I plan on building an internal suppressor around eventually. I'm casting these 300gr monsters for it (and my handguns). They really do pack a punch.

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Those look great. Where did you get your mould? I'm concerned about the barrel twist for 300gr. if I go with the 77/44, again.

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Re: Integral Suppress Bolt Action

Post by L1A1Rocker » Mon Jan 16, 2012 3:01 pm

USMC0351 wrote:
L1A1Rocker wrote:I've got a 96/44 (lever action) that I plan on building an internal suppressor around eventually. I'm casting these 300gr monsters for it (and my handguns). They really do pack a punch.

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Those look great. Where did you get your mould? I'm concerned about the barrel twist for 300gr. if I go with the 77/44, again.

Thanks. I got the mold from Miha Prevec in Slovenia. He makes custom molds for group buys on the cast boolits forum. He is currently out of that mold. Typically he waits until at least 15 people want a mold before doing a re-run.

I've read of people having trouble with the slow twist of the 77/44 and heavy bullets. I have not had too much trouble with mine on this bullet, but I'm not pushing it very fast. I did look at one time to see if anyone made a faster twist for the 77/44 but couldn't find any.

Miha has a web site where you can take a look at, and buy what he has in stock.

http://www.mp-molds.com/

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Re: Integral Suppress Bolt Action

Post by USMC0351 » Mon Jan 16, 2012 5:02 pm

I haven't had any luck finding 300gr. .338 lead bullets or moulds, and that is a major factor in which caliber I build. I looked at the .308 subsonic, but essentially, it is a 180gr. .40S&W when you're done with it, so I need something to launch a heavy enough bullet right at the speed of sound. If 300gr. SMKs are going to be about my only option in .338 Federal, then it just takes a lot of the economy out of the caliber for a dedicated subsonic rifle. I'm hoping to keep getting others' input.

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Re: Integral Suppress Bolt Action

Post by Dweezil » Fri Jan 27, 2012 1:50 pm

Does it have to be a bolt gun? I had a 16" bbl Rossi 92 in 45lc threaded for a can. ADCO did the threading. I removed/replaced the barrel and shortened the mag tube myself. (A Savage action wrench turned backward works great on flat sided lever gun receivers.) Easy WECSOG project with rudimentary tools. Even with the can, it's pretty short and balances just forward of the trigger guard. Moving up to 45LC give you the option of launching a 300gr (or greater) projectile with a big, fat killing meplat at subsonic velocities. According to Hornady tech branch, their 300gr XTP is designed to open at subsonic velocities...but even if it doesn't, .452" is pretty big. A fast lever gun with 7 rounds in the tube is great insurance in case your hawg decides he doesn't want to die alone.
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Re: Integral Suppress Bolt Action

Post by USMC0351 » Fri Jan 27, 2012 4:53 pm

I'd love to see some photos of your setup, if you can post them. It doesn't have to be a bolt gun, but I really want to do it as an integral rather than a muzzle can, which is one of the limiting factors to action type.

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Re: Integral Suppress Bolt Action

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Another Enfield Pic.

Post by Richard/SIA » Fri Feb 17, 2012 1:59 pm

Another recent Enfield SC-45 build using a synthetic stock with soft rubber recoil pad.
Also features a vernier rear sight, scope rail, and Hi-Viz front sight.
Test fire using a 4X scope gave very good groups at fifty yards, around 1" when I did my part.
This gun is more accurate than I am. (That may not be saying as much as it used to)

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Re: Integral Suppress Bolt Action

Post by Ben B. » Fri Feb 17, 2012 3:52 pm

Richard, what scope mount is that? I wouldn't mind getting my scope moved forward a little.
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The Enfield Picatinny rail is my own design.

Post by Richard/SIA » Fri Feb 17, 2012 5:08 pm

The Enfield Picatinny rail is my own design.

I was never fully satisfied with what the market offered.
This allows use of the original sights without having to remove the rail, and it sits much lower than most others.
Currently out of stock, plan to make more ASAP, once a few projects are caught up.
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Re: The Enfield Picatinny rail is my own design.

Post by Ben B. » Fri Feb 17, 2012 5:19 pm

Richard/SIA wrote:The Enfield Picatinny rail is my own design.

I was never fully satisfied with what the market offered.
This allows use of the original sights without having to remove the rail, and it sits much lower than most others.
Currently out of stock, plan to make more ASAP, once a few projects are caught up.
I want one. Need an email or phone call?
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Re: Integral Suppress Bolt Action

Post by ncorry » Mon Mar 12, 2012 4:05 pm

Douglas makes a fast twist 77/44 barrel. Maybe it's a blank, but my SRT 77/44 came with it, supposedly 1:11 twist.

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