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SiG P226

Post by T78m6b » Fri Mar 15, 2013 12:12 am

Having problems with my SiG failing to eject brass and it's not the ammo; Discuss

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Re: SiG P226

Post by jradz » Fri Mar 15, 2013 12:40 am

T78m6b wrote:Having problems with my SiG failing to eject brass and it's not the ammo; Discuss
Is it suppressed? Are they "stovepiping"?

I had it happen once and the culprit was a malfunctioning piston. I think the piston was stuck "out". A good cleaning and everything worked perfectly again!

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Re: SiG P226

Post by Bendersquint » Fri Mar 15, 2013 1:43 am

Handloads?
Store bought?
New pistol?
Police trade-in?

You gotta give us more to work with.

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Re: SiG P226

Post by doubloon » Fri Mar 15, 2013 9:17 am

Nothing to discuss without more information.

Like jradz says, clean it.

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Re: SiG P226

Post by T78m6b » Fri Mar 15, 2013 12:22 pm

jradz wrote:
T78m6b wrote:Having problems with my SiG failing to eject brass and it's not the ammo; Discuss
Is it suppressed? Are they "stovepiping"?

I had it happen once and the culprit was a malfunctioning piston. I think the piston was stuck "out". A good cleaning and everything worked perfectly again!

it happens both suppressed and unsuppressed, the brass is not stovepiping, it's failing to extract from the chamber after being fired, even with the factory barrel. The gun isn't dirty, I cleaned it again anyway, same problem, when you say "clean" how far are you taking the gun down? are you talking about removing the firing pin positioning pin? (the small pin that goes through the side of the slide #11 in the image)

I bought the gun new probably 20 years ago now, no more than a thousand rounds and probably more like 7-8 hundred rounds have been through it, using mostly factory rounds


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Re: SiG P226

Post by Bendersquint » Fri Mar 15, 2013 12:37 pm

T78m6b wrote:
jradz wrote:
T78m6b wrote:Having problems with my SiG failing to eject brass and it's not the ammo; Discuss
Is it suppressed? Are they "stovepiping"?

I had it happen once and the culprit was a malfunctioning piston. I think the piston was stuck "out". A good cleaning and everything worked perfectly again!

it happens both suppressed and unsuppressed, the brass is not stovepiping, it's failing to extract from the chamber after being fired, even with the factory barrel. The gun isn't dirty, I cleaned it again anyway, same problem, when you say "clean" how far are you taking the gun down? are you talking about removing the firing pin positioning pin? (the small pin that goes through the side of the slide #11 in the image)

I bought the gun new probably 20 years ago now, no more than a thousand rounds and probably more like 7-8 hundred rounds have been through it, using mostly factory rounds


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Sounds like your extractor is broken. That would be my first angle of attack, check the extractor and the spring.

This does require hamers and punches so if you aren't confident in this DONT do it, and take it/send it to someone that is.

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Re: SiG P226

Post by T78m6b » Fri Mar 15, 2013 12:50 pm

when you say "extractor", which part in your opinion would need to be replaced? (#8,9 or 65 in the exploded view image)

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Re: SiG P226

Post by Bendersquint » Fri Mar 15, 2013 1:13 pm

most likely 65 unless spring 9 has issues as well.

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Re: SiG P226

Post by doubloon » Fri Mar 15, 2013 2:33 pm

Or the extractor may just be so dirty it is unable to engage the brass.
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Re: SiG P226

Post by T78m6b » Sat Mar 16, 2013 12:03 am

doubloon wrote:Or the extractor may just be so dirty it is unable to engage the brass.
Neh....the gun is clean :roll:

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Re: SiG P226

Post by doubloon » Sat Mar 16, 2013 9:53 am

I know you've said that but when the question about cleaning came up the first time you asked "when you say "clean" how far are you taking the gun down?".

Just as you don't know what we mean by "clean" we have no idea what you call "clean". It takes very little dirt to foul up an extractor, especially if that "dirt" contains any brass/metal shavings. I only asked since you haven't given your definition of "clean".

For many people just running a patch down the barrel is "clean". For some cleaning after a basic field strip down to slide, barrel, frame, spring(s) and rod is "clean". Even at this stage a lot of people fail to pay any attention to the firing pin or extractor.

For others "clean" means the grips come off, the trigger group is pulled, the firing pin and extractor are removed for cleaning.

Failure to "eject" as you originally mentioned has many, many causes up to and including operator error on a perfectly clean and 100% "reliable" gun. But it wasn't until later you corrected yourself to say failure to "extract" which is almost always a mechanical or dirt related issue.

Allowing for the possibility that everything is absolutely clean and there is absolutely nothing that may be interfering with the proper mechanical function of the extractor. To reliably diagnose a failure to extract the brass is one thing that needs to be closely examined ... the rim, the case wall, etc. The extractor and extractor spring also needs to be closely examined ... is the claw sharp and clean, is the spring intact.

High resolution up and close pictures of all these things would help the people here trying to help you.

If all that checks out the next thing to look at is whether or not the brass is sticking inside the chamber ... assuming it's actually brass. But the rim would give hints of this type of problem assuming the extractor is even engaging the rim.

Then if all that checks out and it still doesn't work we could be at the point where we give up and tell you your best bet is to sell or trade it to some poor schmuck at the next gun show.
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Re: SiG P226

Post by Big Bore Lover » Sat Apr 20, 2013 8:50 pm

So, has this issue been dealt with? Working? Not? Bought it over 20 years ago? It may be older than the pic. If so, try the old style extractor. Is it a stamped/folded slide or the stainless machined one? If you don't know,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,, :idea: get with someone that does.

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