Why the associations are not yet mobilizing their members?

[Alael]

I've just renewed my membership to NRA, and trying to renew my membership to the GOA (blocked by a bug in their website because I'm living currently in France, and this make their website panicked, I'm waiting for them to fix the bug so I can resubscribe).
I'm amazed that neither one or the other are yet mobilizing all their members (4 millions for the NRA and 300.000 for the GOA).
Lobbying is good but not sufficient, with biased media devilizing law abiding gun owners, and NRA (more known by the medias, US and international), I'm afraid that the politicians will bend in the easy side following the media flow (French politicians had already shown me that this rule is true).
They need to gather all gun owners, and all the people who are sick of the lies coming from the anti-freedom liberals and their media, sick to be the devilized scapegoat, sick to see people who a capable of "Fast & Furious" scandal going forward in their agenda and using innocent blood for this.
I'm dying to see the millions of gun owners in the USA to stand up and show that it's enough: we won't be the silent scapegoats devilized and used by the anti-freedom liberals to push forward their agenda.

Sometimes it seems to me that lot of people think that they are safe, they have their weapons and that the anti-freedom liberals will never dare to knock at their door to take away their weapons (the very tool they have to resist to crimes, to not to be defenseless victims of the 1.4 millions of gangs members who are now in the USA).
No not the liberals, but the armed SWAT teams the liberals leaders will send to their door, will they fight to death as they say. If they are not capable to stand up now, while their life and their family's life are not on the stake: how can they stand up when it could cost them and their family's life???
I've heard some people in the USA say "Oh no, this cannot happen in the USA! they won't dare!"..
Sad news for people who are in denyal: "Yes it is happening! Yes they are daring!"

I used to wonder why the majority of Jews never tryed to resist to the Nazi during the 2nd WW (I learnt later that some resistance movement occured: the upraising of Warsaw ghetto at spring 1943, the Sobibor extermination camp upraising the 14th of October 1943, and the resistance movement lead by Tuvia Bielski): they are in denial till some armed soldiers come to arrest their family. One family by one family.... With in mind, till the end: "Such a thing cannot happen!"

I look at the USA (and Switzerland) as the last free country in the World (France is a socialist soft dictatorship: there is no Gulag, but the politicians and their accomplices the biased medias using "intellectual terrorism", shut the mouth of any ideological opponent....The majority has to suffer the unfair decisions of a oligarchic minority: crimes, justice, taxes etc...see: Gerard Depardieu decided to live in Belgium to pay less taxes, and the French socialist prime minister uses the media to devilize him and makes the French people hate him; some other socialist politicians have talked about making law to forbid people like him to go abroad with their money) and sure enough I hate to see that the USA is following the same ways than the European socialist soft dictatorships.

[poikilotrm]

I don't know about them, but I want this. I want a civil war. It's time for the wheel to turn.

OTOH, a comprehensive ban sure would seperate the basement dwelling, orange fingered, type II "Heavy 6"es posting on arfcom from those of us who matter, wouldn't it? I see it as a win, either way.

I have been in combat zones on three continents, and war is not noble, clean, or in any way desirable, but tyranny is less desirable than war.

I say ban them all, from black powder to airsoft. Ban those EBRs! Ban those sniper rifles you have the audacity to call deer rifles! Ban pistols because they are too small. Ban .50BMG rifles because they are too large. Ban deero rifles because they are too accurate. Ban shotguns because they serve no military use. Ban assault weapons (whatever the F--k that is) because they have a military use.

Ban 'em. I'll turn mine in. I promise! No, really!

I think I have demonstrated my desire to comply with tyranny well enough. I am not an unknown quantity at this point, and I am burned to crispiness.

Bring it. Let's see how it shakes out. I'm curious.

[Alael]

I'm not talking about armed upraising from the members of NRA or GOA....... but massive petitions to the politicians, to the WH ,massive protestation letters to biased media companies: what if they receive more than 4 millions of mail all the sudden in their mail boxes..... the postal service will be glad for this extra job...

A massive mail protestation by millions is legal and not dangerous for the life of gun owners and their family. It is a democratic right to say that we are not agree and that we don't want to be the scapegoat to the political leaders and to the 4th power (medias).

This is the mobilization I'm talking about.

The comparison with what thappened to the Jews during the 2nd WW is about the denial mentality: " No this cannot happen!"
Thanks heaven the gun owners in the USA are not yet in the same situation than the Jews with pogrom ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pogrom ) against them, but some liberals call to shoot members of the NRA (with the blessing of liberal media and politicians), and guess what a media did in N-Y state this taste a little bit like it:
http://www.lohud.com/interactive/articl ... ck_check=1
This way any furious liberals know where you live if you have CCW permit so they can plan to make retaliation against you and your family, also all gang members knows good adresses to find a weapon...
To be armed don't make armed people invicible.......if they know who you are and prepare a good plan even if you are armed you will be defeated.

[bakerjw]

Letter writing on paper is a good plan if it is carried out properly. Sending them to Washington D.C. will have a minimal effect as it all goes to a processing center. All your elected official ever sees, with few exceptions, is a count of letters, faxes, and e-mails for or against any particular issue. In return, all you will get back is a form letter, fax, or e-mail.

The key is to send your correspondence to the local field office. They have a much better chance of being overwhelmed there.

Last year I did send an e-mail to my state representative shortly after the Trayvon Martin case made such big headlines. One of the BPP thugs was advocating killing white folks. I asked why my representative was being silent on the issue. IMHO they should be screaming at the DOJ to do something about such vile hate speech. To my surprise, the next day a staffer from the D.C. office called me to discuss what was occurring.

I correspond with my elected officials on a regular basis i.e. at least twice a month. I almost always get form letters back in return. My state reps also get the same level of correspondence. One of them usually calls me to discuss the issue further.

[poikilotrm]

I'm not talking about armed upraising from the members of NRA or GOA....... but massive petitions to the politicians, to the WH ,massive protestation letters to biased media companies: what if they receive more than 4 millions of mail all the sudden in their mail boxes..... the postal service will be glad for this extra job...

A massive mail protestation by millions is legal and not dangerous for the life of gun owners and their family. It is a democratic right to say that we are not agree and that we don't want to be the scapegoat to the political leaders and to the 4th power (medias).

This is the mobilization I'm talking about

So more of the same s--t that has gotten us where we are. You understand that they ignore our written and phoned in pleas, right? People called in against the TARP at a rate of 300:1. What happened? We got the TARP. They don't give a F--k. They do as they please.

You mentioned the jews. Gee, do you really think that they could have saved themselves with a letter writing campaign? If so, then why didn't they just do it? After they were stripped of their weapons, they still had pens and paper.

You are advocating more impotent pleading with out "masters". It won't work. I know it won't, because I have watched them time and again ignore us and do whatever the hell they want to do.

Do you respect your dog because he begs for table scraps? He has teeth and he can bite you, so shouldn't you do as he demands and give him your steak? Government officials enjoy weilding force against the defenseless. It will be quite interesting to watch when the prey becomes the hunter.

[johndoe3]

Actually, there is some evidence that contacting your reps in the House and Senate CAN have a significant effect.

Senator Joe Manchin (D-WV) came out shortly after the Newtown shooting and called for gun bans like most of his fellow Dems. He was elected a couple of years ago in a close race, mainly because he promised his constituents that he was a hunter, shooter and pro-gun.

There was a massive outpouring of West Virginians to Senator Manchin making their displeasure known to him over his "Benedict Arnold" turn on the issue of guns. It took only a couple of days and now Senator Manchin is out publicly saying he was wrong and will not support a gun ban.

Democratic Sen. Manchin Dials Back Gun Control Rhetoric: ‘I’m So Proud Of The NRA’
http://www.mediaite.com/online/democrat ... f-the-nra/

Kudos to gunowners in WV who contacted their congresscritters and let their views be made known clearly. It had the effect of turning Senator Manchin on a dime.

[bakerjw]

I am glad to hear that some are affected by the correspondence.

[misfit762]

I say:
Let our voices be heard! What does it hurt to send a couple letters to our Congressmen and Senators and remind them that we watch how they vote. Ban our guns and risk losing your job. A stamp and a signature. The media lets the Antis spout their crap, why should we sit silent? I'm sick of hearing how bad we are for gun ownership and sitting silent. The media won't put us on, but we can overwhelm our representatives with letters, emails, and phone calls.

It can't hurt and it's better than doing nothing.

[snapshot]

I say:
Let our voices be heard! What does it hurt to send a couple letters to our Congressmen and Senators and remind them that we watch how they vote. Ban our guns and risk losing your job. A stamp and a signature. The media lets the Antis spout their crap, why should we sit silent? I'm sick of hearing how bad we are for gun ownership and sitting silent. The media won't put us on, but we can overwhelm our representatives with letters, emails, and phone calls.

It can't hurt and it's better than doing nothing.

I think a sensible solution is to overwhelm our representatives with healthy competition...i.e. better candidates. Letter writing is for the birds.

[misfit762]

I think a sensible solution is to overwhelm our representatives with healthy competition...i.e. better candidates. Letter writing is for the birds.

Oh, I agree that they all need replaced. I just think that overwhelming them right now with letters, emails, and phone calls could produce some results. The next elections are in Nov 2014, correct?

[snapshot]

I think a sensible solution is to overwhelm our representatives with healthy competition...i.e. better candidates. Letter writing is for the birds.

Oh, I agree that they all need replaced. I just think that overwhelming them right now with letters, emails, and phone calls could produce some results. The next elections are in Nov 2014, correct?

Do you really want to expend your energy on constantly pressuring an elected official to make the right decisions? We don't need these opportunistic self-motivated cowards to enact legislation that defines our country. We all have people in our communities that are well principled, and have the integrity to make the right choices. Unfortunately, having these inherent traits almost immediately self-disqualifies them from pursuing public office. It's up to us to find the right person in our communities, to pursue them, to support them, to bring them to the forefront. And weed out the parasites. There are a handful of representatives already in office that have been hand groomed by the grassroots Tea Party movement, and are the only hope for a better America. But it starts with each and every one of us. While I disagree on many social issues that define many in this movement, the fiscal standards they maintain are what need to be at the forefront. The rest can wait. We currently have...I have no idea what to describe Obama (cringe) as, but he wants to primarily focus on Immigration & Gun Control while our country goes down the drain. F--k this! We have to choose individuals that we would trust to manager our personal budgets, and guide our families to a more prosperous future. Attend a local grassroots conservative meeting. Try it out. Speak your mind and help direct our future. That's what we can do. It's not going to happen by writing letters that aides are directed to put through the shredder before reading.

Start with weeding out the candidates who voted for the latest "fiscal cliff bill". Why can't they just call it bankruptcy???

http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/the ... use-voted/

* I also think we should carry rifles to these meetings.

[bakerjw]

Start with weeding out the candidates who voted for the latest "fiscal cliff bill".

My son and I were talking the other night after I picked him up from work. He advised me that Senator Corker voted for the fiscal cliff bill and that Senator Alexander voted against it. When asked, he didn't know why. I told him. Corker was just reelected and people won't remember in 6 years. Alexander is up for reelection in 2014 and people might.

[snapshot]

That's awesome:

1. Your son works.
2. He's politically aware.
3. He talks to you.

It's sad how rare this has become in modern society.

[misfit762]

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Man, I totally agree with you. Vote out every fucker that voted for this POS "Fiscal Cliff" bill. Absolutely!

But if elections aren't held till 2014, what are we gonna do about the upcoming gun ban legislation that's going to be introduced on Jan 22 2013? I am open to any suggestions. I just don't want to sit back and do nothing. I'll listen to any ideas, I'll help in any way I can.

[snapshot]

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Man, I totally agree with you. Vote out every fucker that voted for this POS "Fiscal Cliff" bill. Absolutely!

But if elections aren't held till 2014, what are we gonna do about the upcoming gun ban legislation that's going to be introduced on Jan 22 2013? I am open to any suggestions. I just don't want to sit back and do nothing. I'll listen to any ideas, I'll help in any way I can.

Just defend what is rightly yours. January 22nd could go either way. Seems like there are already back room dealings going on to cut spending via loss of gun rights. It's hard to say because we have no idea how the new congress will react. The Rino's out there are in a tough spot because they lack the moral authority to hold ground, let alone gain it. They believe that sacrificing the 2nd amendment is "better" for us than to stand firm and lose out in the spending debate. These assholes throw around our rights like kids trading baseball cards. I briefly worked in Washington before getting 86'd to save face. They're absolutely terrified of the individual thought process.

I believe the largest threat we face is from the voting block made up of the entitlement addicts. The Democrat-Socialist Party has them feeding out of their hands and it's scary. They're voting in record numbers because they believe that survival is dictated by the federal government. We're the fall guys in this one. I think the administration is useless, it's the constituency that's the problem, and it's only getting bigger. Good news is that we too are getting stronger, and at the end of the day, we are a formidable force to reckon with.

They'll protest, but we'll fight. It's that simple. At least I know I will.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/won ... -probably/