Conservative cops and gun seizures

[continuity]

...Hey continuity, if you manage to confiscate a Benelli M4 H2O give me a call...

I'm sure you mean the second one...

[doubloon]

You're a conservative?

[starlingstalker]

Back to the birds, I have a big FAT cardinal hen sitting in the bamboo cane break at my back fence and the rooster is flaming scarlet red that parks on the fence right above on guard duty. Picture pretty. And they don't like company at all.
And a pair of red bellied woodpeckers with chicks fer sure becuz they load up on the suet and sunflower seeds non stop haul it to the Hurricane Ike blasted pecan tree at the back of my patio. I've already taken out more than a dozen starlings expecting to evict them with the trusty old .177 Benjamin pneumatic.
starlingstalker

Well it's nearly 4 am and just took off another possum and he joined about 20 of his relatives in the woods outside the 610 loop and when I got back to put the trap up while taking a leak in the back yard on my designated favorite spot, I BARELY heard a noise whiz past my head. Much less than a whisper. Got the surefire Lumamax out and there was a screech owl on my back fence. Evidently LED green light at 535 nanometers doesn't alarm its night vision somehow so I got nearly 5 minutes at about 10 feet too admire those big eyes. Super thrill! And his head will turn near 360 degrees. Magnificent animal. Fantastic predator. No wonder the owl is the boogyman of the bird world. Really a RARE sight to see especially at night. And from my garden, I can see into their house from the walk over that the mate is sitting in my big birdhouse on the palm tree at the back fence. What a PAIR!!! Proud to be a land lord here fer sure. Privileged! and Tickeled! The owl was found in the fig tree by a hell raising Carolina wren nearby as it HID during the day a couple of weeks ago but I kept the other birds away by moving my feeders away elsewhere to prevent spooking it and now they have moved in. Yes! Hot damn! So, need a bit of NV to keep tabs on the owls. Interesting nights once they start feeding their babies fer sure.
And the cardinal fat hen near right below in the cane brake has 2 tiny babies so they better watch out puleez.
And the pair of redbellied wood peckers are hauling off the red hot suet and sunflower seeds as fast as they can pack it in and bee line to their hole in the pecan tree.

Amazing to watch those birds do what they have to do.Especially if You give them a place to stay and groceries for the babies. For me, every little bit helps.
And haul off predators such as possums and the spitting feral kitties.

Would be my favorite time of year EXCEPT income taxes are due as of today the 15th and soon as these back ground feel good checks supported by all those quislings are in place, the neutered 2nd Amendment will be no more.
AND took out another starling yesterday morning trying to evict and or get in to kill the woodpecker babies with the trusty old Benjamin pneumatic.

starlingstalker

[doubloon]

Congrats on the owl nest!

An owl cam would be very cool, I've seen a couple here and there on internet from time to time.

[continuity]

Thanks for the post starlingstalker... Nice.

[TROOPER]

Speaking of birds - has anyone used shot-shell in their 9mm or 45? My limited understanding is that the 45 will cycle a semi because there is enough mass being ejected to work the slide. With a 9mm... not so much. But then again, CCI also sells the components, and my limited reading on the subject indicates that people have been loading them up somewhat hot. I wonder if they'd be hot enough to cycle a typical 9mm... and then I wonder what the point would be.

People report shooting at birds with 22 shot-shell, as well as 38/357 and 44 Special/Magnum shotshell -- and with good result inside of a certain range.

Any experience with shotshell here? I've thought about buying some of the factory $1-a-shot stuff just for dorking around.

[YugoRPK]

Speaking of birds - has anyone used shot-shell in their 9mm or 45? My limited understanding is that the 45 will cycle a semi because there is enough mass being ejected to work the slide. With a 9mm... not so much. But then again, CCI also sells the components, and my limited reading on the subject indicates that people have been loading them up somewhat hot. I wonder if they'd be hot enough to cycle a typical 9mm... and then I wonder what the point would be.

People report shooting at birds with 22 shot-shell, as well as 38/357 and 44 Special/Magnum shotshell -- and with good result inside of a certain range.

Any experience with shotshell here? I've thought about buying some of the factory $1-a-shot stuff just for dorking around.

I couldnt get them to cycle 9mm and .45 SIG's or 1911's in .45. "Rat shot" .22's were always one of my dads favorite out of a revolver.

[doubloon]

Never tried shot shell in one of my semi's but I recall a video a while back of a guy hunting birds with a Taurus Judge, dove I think.

Based on the kind of luck he was having with 410 from a pistol I'm thinking hunting with 22 shot shell has the potential to be more frustrating than show shopping with the wife.

[YugoRPK]

I'm thinking hunting with 22 shot shell has the potential to be more frustrating than show shopping with the wife.

Works good on snakes from 5 feet away. Racoons don't come back in your yard and the neighbors cat stays in the neighbors yard. Trust me on that one.

[Hush]

Back in the day the gun companies use to make what they called garden guns, these were smooth bore rifles in .22 and 9mm cal.

The .22 was a long length .22 case that was crimped, they were loaded as follows, powder charge, cork as a wad and #9 bird shot and then crimped brass mouth. when fired you had a little shotgun that would take out pests pretty far considering.

The problem is with using them in a rifled barrel is you have no pattern, depending on the distance you'd have a circle with nothing in the center, this is what I found out when trying to pattern them, the rifling makes the shot spin outward.

Now these new (to me, I haven't tried them) shot cups from CCI might be another story.

If you run across an old used .22 rifle at a swap meet check the bore, it might be so old and beat up the bore smoothed out over time and you got yourself a .22 shotgun, run some steel wool down the bore to clean it up.

[doubloon]

I'm thinking the cups will spin like a sabot.

[ick]

Why all this screwing around? I suppose BB guns aren't lethal enough...but isn't the bone collector just as lethal and, perhaps, more accurate?

http://www.gamousa.com/product.aspx?productID=341

in fact, they have a shot-shell

http://www.gamousa.com/product.aspx?productID=83

The velocity seems quite low.

[TROOPER]

Why all this screwing around? I suppose BB guns aren't lethal enough...but isn't the bone collector just as lethal and, perhaps, more accurate?

http://www.gamousa.com/product.aspx?productID=341

in fact, they have a shot-shell

http://www.gamousa.com/product.aspx?productID=83

The velocity seems quite low.

Well... uh... the point is more than one BB at a time. I don't refer to my 32 ACP as a "single-00-shotgun".

[wolf]

Ehem , this is what he is taking about

[doubloon]

That would be more cool if you could roll your own.

I can't believe something potentially useful may actually have come from this thread.

[ick]

I see you are due for a a beat-down from the long arm of the LAAW. Now there is an anti-varmit weapon.

[ick]

Well... uh... the point is more than one BB at a time. I don't refer to my 32 ACP as a "single-00-shotgun".

Trooper, you just need to get several friends together and all dual-wield the rifles. Same thing.

[TROOPER]

That would be more cool if you could roll your own.

I can't believe something potentially useful may actually have come from this thread.

CCI sells every component that they themselves use to make shotshells. I was reading about different people's recipes, and how some load their shotshells quite hot.... which adds a bit of range, but does nothing for patterning. Someone did mention that shotshell out of polygonal isn't quite as donut-y as with regular rifling.

[TROOPER]

Well... uh... the point is more than one BB at a time. I don't refer to my 32 ACP as a "single-00-shotgun".

Trooper, you just need to get several friends together and all dual-wield the rifles. Same thing.

You think I have friends?

... that's the nicest thing anyone's said to me all week.

[ick]

...you and Pokémon will always have Paris.

[TROOPER]

...you and Pokémon will always have Paris.

Wow. You put me in the same sentence with Pokemon. The guy is a fanatic.

Unbelievable, ick.... unbelievable.

[continuity]

...you and Pokémon will always have Paris.

While this is directed at Troop, why is that when Pokémon was referenced, I began to reflect on the reality that some animals eat their young... and the up side to that phenomena?

[ick]

...you and Pokémon will always have Paris.

While this is directed at Troop, why is that when Pokémon was referenced, I began to reflect on the reality that some animals eat their young... and the up side to that phenomena?

That gives me an opportunity to turn the thread back on topic......

For example hens sometimes eat their own eggs. I wonder sometimes if this is as common in other birds or if it is limited to chickens due to inbreeding and or too many hens within a small area.

For example, do you find the same egg eating problem when you raise ducks?

Taking it one step further:
Would you find the exact same rate of cannibalism if, say, you captured wild ducks and trying to breed them?

[TROOPER]

That's your idea of getting the thread 'back on topic'?

Well, in order for this new development to even be explored properly we have to first clarify an important point: are the eggs fertilized?

I'll never fault an animal's actions as immoral. That said, if an animal reveals a behavioral trait that is incompatible with whatever system is pertinent, I might get rid of it. A family dog that attacks a baby, for example, isn't suddenly evil; it did it for a reason, and that reason circles back to a learned behavior relevant to its survival. It makes more sense in an instance like that to put the dog down, but it isn't because I hate the dog - nor because the dog hated the baby.

If a chicken eats an unfertilized egg, then that is a tremendous nothing.

[Fulmen]

For example hens sometimes eat their own eggs. I wonder sometimes if this is as common in other birds or if it is limited to chickens due to inbreeding and or too many hens within a small area.

I've been told by a friend that keeps hens that this seems to happen with young birds that may be reckless with their eggs. The eggs break and as they eat everything on the floor they can develop a taste for it. This sort of behavior won't survive for long in neither nature or a farm, so it's probably a random occurrence but it may be aggravated by the conditions in a farm. If the egg is unfertilized it could be intentional as the egg represents a substantial investment that is lost if it isn't hatched, so eating fertilized eggs doesn't have to be a huge change in behavior.

As for animals being immoral I'll have to agree with Trooper, it's hard to use a term like that on animals that lack the mental capacity to reflect on it's own behavior. But with nature being so diverse as it is you should expect some animals to behave abnormally, if it's not beneficial to it's (or it's flock's) survival or reproduction it will be weeded out, either by it's own actions or by the pack.