Secret Service agent attacked in Scranton road rage

Hush · Post by **Hush** » Thu Jun 11, 2009 11:32 am

http://www.pennlive.com/midstate/index. ... acked.html

Secret Service agent attacked in Scranton road rage
by The Associated Press
Wednesday June 10, 2009, 7:00 PM

SCRANTON, Pa. -- A northeastern Pennsylvania man is accused of attacking a Secret Service agent with brass knuckles and a chunk of asphalt.

Scranton Police Police Chief David Elliott says Agent William Slavoski tapped his siren Tuesday evening when a pickup truck that had been moving erratically on an expressway stopped in front of him. Police say the pickup driver got out and approached the agent, asking, "What are you, some kind of cop?" Police say Slavoski identified himself as a Secret Service agent and told the man to return to his truck, but an altercation ensued.

Police arrested 25-year-old Kenneth Kile of Kingston, who was arraigned Wednesday and held in lieu of $20,000 bail. Slavoski is recovering at home from injuries to his face, head and left arm. Kile was treated for a lip

66427vette · Post by **66427vette** » Thu Jun 11, 2009 11:55 am

and the reason he did not shoot his attacker is?

flip · Post by **flip** » Thu Jun 11, 2009 12:07 pm

66427vette wrote:and the reason he did not shoot his attacker is?

He didn't have his tazer with him

TROOPER · Post by **TROOPER** » Thu Jun 11, 2009 9:11 pm

I remember watching a "60 Minutes" episode on the secret service, and despite all of the things that the director (or designated spokesperson) refused to talk about, he DID divulge that before any SS agent gets to do VIP detail they must be able to hit a bullseye from 1,000 yards with a custom rifle built to the shooter.

What do SS agents carry as a sidearm these days? Caliber and make?

BWT · Post by **BWT** » Thu Jun 11, 2009 9:16 pm

TROOPER wrote:I remember watching a "60 Minutes" episode on the secret service, and despite all of the things that the director (or designated spokesperson) refused to talk about, he DID divulge that before any SS agent gets to do VIP detail they must be able to hit a bullseye from 1,000 yards with a custom rifle built to the shooter.

What do SS agents carry as a sidearm these days? Caliber and make?

I think they keep that information under wraps.

Maybe the SS Snipers are required to do that. I'd imagine a SS Agent wouldn't get the crap kicked out of him before using deadly force.

Brass Knuckles and chunk of Asphalt, is a good recipe for being shot.

Omega_556 · Post by **Omega_556** » Thu Jun 11, 2009 9:22 pm

TROOPER wrote:What do SS agents carry as a sidearm these days? Caliber and make?

SIG P229 in .357SIG

BWT · Post by **BWT** » Thu Jun 11, 2009 9:25 pm

Omega_556 wrote:
TROOPER wrote:What do SS agents carry as a sidearm these days? Caliber and make?
SIG P229 in .357SIG

Shocked they'd carry a Sig, and a .357 SIG.

Mind if I ask your source?

MicroGuy · Post by **MicroGuy** » Thu Jun 11, 2009 9:27 pm

Well, I would imagine anybody getting into a fight with somebody wearing brass knuckles, it would be easy for that person to get the upper hand on you. Just one good punch and you could be dazed pretty good.

Strange rifle requirement for those doing running board duty when you never see them with a rifle.

I've got a magazine that has an article about long range shots with a pistol. Curious to see what they have to say about it. Long range being 50 to about 100 yards.

TROOPER · Post by **TROOPER** » Thu Jun 11, 2009 9:29 pm

I thought I remembered seeing some program on television - Discovery or History channel maybe - where the Treasury folks carried 10mm GLOCKs. Although on second thought that might actually have been the portion of the SS that deals with counterfeiting. I just remember them wearing jeans, T-shirts, outer ballistic vests, and forming one of those "combat-conga-lines" where you put your left hand on the shoulder of the man in front of you... maybe five or six people per group in preparation for entering the building. I specifically remember thinking, "Christ - I'd hate to be in front of the guy blasting away with his right hand right next to my right ear.

ETA: you know... it might well have been .357 Sig chambered GLOCKs instead of 10mm. Not trying to make s--t up here, its just that its been a while and I know I'm over-lapping a few unrelated memories on this one.

TOOL1075 · Post by **TOOL1075** » Thu Jun 11, 2009 9:30 pm

BWT wrote:
Omega_556 wrote:
TROOPER wrote:What do SS agents carry as a sidearm these days? Caliber and make?
SIG P229 in .357SIG
Shocked they'd carry a Sig, and a .357 SIG.

why?

YugoRPK · Post by **YugoRPK** » Thu Jun 11, 2009 9:37 pm

Why wouldnt they carry the P229? Great gun and that 357 SIG will ruin your day if your'e on the wrong end of it a lot more than a Tazer will in the hands of a traffic monkey.

BWT · Post by **BWT** » Thu Jun 11, 2009 9:45 pm

TOOL1075 wrote:
BWT wrote:
Omega_556 wrote: SIG P229 in .357SIG
Shocked they'd carry a Sig, and a .357 SIG.
why?

Sig's aren't bad, different, I've just never been really impressed with them, I guess. I'd think they'd use something a bit higher end... I dunno, I just never though Sigs. I know P226 are favored among SEALs, but other then that. I didn't like the P220's I saw, just awkward grip for me.

As for (ETA: Didn't make sense, I was multi-tasking and writing this post) shocked they'd use a proprietary round like .357 SIG, as I understand it's basically equivalent to a .40 S&W.

I also figured they'd use a Full Size Grip/Pistol, the frame seems smaller and compact, I figured since they're SS and they can get away with carrying MP5K's, etc, they'd have a larger framed handgun, better fighting pistol, etc.

Dunno, that and the DA/SA trigger, it just, eh.

Shocked me.

YugoRPK · Post by **YugoRPK** » Thu Jun 11, 2009 9:47 pm

BWT wrote:
TOOL1075 wrote:
BWT wrote: Shocked they'd carry a Sig, and a .357 SIG.
why?
Sig's aren't bad, different, I've just never been really impressed with them, I guess. I'd think they'd use something a bit higher end... I dunno, I just never though Sigs. I know P226 are favored among SEALs, but other then that. I didn't like the P220's I saw, just awkward grip for me.

As for .40 S&W shocked they'd use a proprietary round like .357 SIG, as I understand it's basically equivalent to a .40 S&W.

I also figured they'd use a Full Size Grip/Pistol, the frame seems smaller and compact, I figured since they're SS and they can get away with carrying MP5K's, etc, they'd have a larger framed handgun, better fighting pistol, etc.

Dunno, that and the DA/SA trigger, it just, eh.

Shocked me.

You have much to learn about SIG's...

TROOPER · Post by **TROOPER** » Thu Jun 11, 2009 9:47 pm

A .357 Sig may be very similar to a .40 S&W in terms of power, but in terms of penetration - no comparison. The .357 Sig punches cover and vests like no other common pistol round. I'd guess this is a concern to Treasury and SS agents alike - sort of makes them fundamentally different from an average cop who is likely less concerned with effectiveness against an armored or barricaded opponent.

BWT · Post by **BWT** » Thu Jun 11, 2009 9:50 pm

YugoRPK wrote:
BWT wrote:
TOOL1075 wrote: why?
Sig's aren't bad, different, I've just never been really impressed with them, I guess. I'd think they'd use something a bit higher end... I dunno, I just never though Sigs. I know P226 are favored among SEALs, but other then that. I didn't like the P220's I saw, just awkward grip for me.

As for .40 S&W shocked they'd use a proprietary round like .357 SIG, as I understand it's basically equivalent to a .40 S&W.

I also figured they'd use a Full Size Grip/Pistol, the frame seems smaller and compact, I figured since they're SS and they can get away with carrying MP5K's, etc, they'd have a larger framed handgun, better fighting pistol, etc.

Dunno, that and the DA/SA trigger, it just, eh.

Shocked me.

You have much to learn about SIG's...

Apparently, I was a hair's breadth away from buying a P220 with a Beavertail Grip, until I handled 1911's more. That and I didn't care for the trigger. It had the fat grip feel of a G21, with the single stack magazine of a 1911, so it was the worst of both worlds, and I like .45 ACP.

Both valid points. So maybe I'm out of the loop.

Omega_556 · Post by **Omega_556** » Thu Jun 11, 2009 9:57 pm

BWT wrote:I figured since they're SS and they can get away with carrying MP5K's, etc

You are correct, H&K MP5KA4 specifically.