Watch the Brits wave bye bye to their air guns

Hush · Post by **Hush** » Mon Sep 28, 2009 7:03 pm

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/ ... dians.html

I'm sorry for the kid's and their parents but I believe under British law air rifles are suppose to be secured from unauthorized persons.

Boy, 10, shot dead by air gun while playing cowboys and Indians
A 10 year-old boy, Rhys Johnson, has died after he was shot with his father's air gun during a game of â€œcowboys and Indiansâ€

stevejobs · Post by **stevejobs** » Mon Sep 28, 2009 7:13 pm

What we need are safer BB's.

longbowrecon · Post by **longbowrecon** » Mon Sep 28, 2009 8:34 pm

Its unfortunate about the child. I wonder if and where they will stop. No cars, booze, butterknives, clothes pins, water deeper than 2", rocks or tree branches large enough to be a cudgel.

Stu · Post by **Stu** » Mon Sep 28, 2009 9:01 pm

It doesn't even say where he was shot.

Hush · Post by **Hush** » Mon Sep 28, 2009 9:33 pm

Stu wrote:It doesn't even say where he was shot.

Rhys was shot in the chest

The Brits can have two types of air guns an unlicensed @12 ft. lbs. and under and must be licensed for high power, the .22 cal. air rifles can be as powerful as a cal. .22 short.
They are really strict about this, many British air gunners have their own chronograph's and check their power with every new tin of pellets otherwise if their police which do check, find it goes over the 12 ft. lb. mark will confiscate the rifle.
Pistols have to be under 5 or 6 ft. lbs. iirc.

MicroGuy · Post by **MicroGuy** » Mon Sep 28, 2009 11:57 pm

Got to feel sorry for all involved in that one. I can't imagine shooting my friend, and killing him while just playing. And the parents lose a kid, the other parents have to console the inconsolable. Just bad all around.

But notice the trigger wasn't pulled, it "just went off". Damn those guns. When will we outlaw guns that take it upon themselves to just "go off" when ever they feel like it?? They're clearly the problem here.

Some of those guns are pretty powerful. I've got an ad for a couple that are on sale pretty cheap, one is a chinese gun, the other beeman.

But they're "barrel break" type, spring loaded. I have my doubts about those because once that spring cuts loose, all accuracy is out the window as far as *I* know.

steve7478 · Post by **steve7478** » Tue Sep 29, 2009 1:17 am

This same thing happened when I was about 11 years old with a 10 pump Daisy rifle and a BB. We were playing Fugitive where two people get handcuffed and a "count to 100" head start. Then your buds chase you down and arrest you. Was a fun game. I was handcuffed to my best friend and we were resisting arrest. My best friends brother was the Federal marshal and shot his little brother in the chest from 10 feet away not knowing the gun was loaded.

The BB went through his T-shirt, through his right lung and stopped 1 inch from his heart.

Of course we did not know how serious it was until he finally went to the hospital almost 3 hours later. He was cracking jokes like putting his finger over the hole when he drank water and bitching to his brother for putting a hole in his shirt.

It wasn't until he started getting pale and weak that we let some grown ups know what was going on.

He was in ICU for two days and the hospital for about four more.

We were not allowed to have working BB guns after that.

Stu · Post by **Stu** » Tue Sep 29, 2009 2:00 am

Sounds like it cooked off a round to me.

Rogue · Post by **Rogue** » Tue Sep 29, 2009 4:50 am

Hush wrote:I'm sorry for the kid's and their parents but I believe under British law air rifles are suppose to be secured from unauthorized persons.

I believe this only applies in the strictest sense to s 1 Firearms, there are no set requirements for storing air rifles at home as far as I am aware. Children under 14 (and the boys in the article were 10 and 12) can only use an air rifle under constant supervision by someone 21 or older. They are not allowed to have 'complete control' at any time, ie if the adult turns away for a few minutes they should take the rifle with them.

A horrible accident and a tragic death, most likely preventable with proper supervision. I'm sure the father knows this and will punish himself more than any court could. I also feel sorry for the older kid but even someone without experience must realise it is a bad idea to point a loaded air rifle at another person.

Rogue · Post by **Rogue** » Tue Sep 29, 2009 4:57 am

Stu wrote:Sounds like it cooked off a round to me.

You've lost me a little there, wasn't aware you could cook off a round in an air rifle as they work on compressed air/co2?

doubloon · Post by **doubloon** » Tue Sep 29, 2009 8:05 am

Rogue wrote:
Stu wrote:Sounds like it cooked off a round to me.
You've lost me a little there, wasn't aware you could cook off a round in an air rifle as they work on compressed air/co2?

If it's a spring piston rifle (highly popular in the UK so most likely) and if oil leaks into the compression chamber it will diesel and basically act as a genuine firearm. Accuracy goes in the shitter but velocity goes through the roof.

Stu · Post by **Stu** » Tue Sep 29, 2009 10:59 am

Rogue wrote:
Stu wrote:Sounds like it cooked off a round to me.
You've lost me a little there, wasn't aware you could cook off a round in an air rifle as they work on compressed air/co2?

That's the joke.

delmccormick · Post by **delmccormick** » Wed Sep 30, 2009 3:45 pm

Strange that they would be playing cowboys and indians there. Our kids don't play king and subjects.

chingon · Post by **chingon** » Wed Sep 30, 2009 7:03 pm

delmccormick wrote:Strange that they would be playing cowboys and indians there. Our kids don't play king and subjects.

Watch the Brits wave bye bye to their air guns

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