Abortion is better for unplanned babies than having to eat R

[ick]

No, the other material. I didn't watch the video as I missed that particular post.

[doubloon]

Ah, the pissing contest, been ignoring that. I assumed you were too and couldn't understand how you could possibly be disturbed by the video.

AdBlock can get rid of particular images for you, I use it here mostly for the seizure inducing avatars and pictures of Maser.

[PTK]

IMHO a large part of the problem is MEN. How many men screw someone and get them pregnant and then opt for the easy way out. If you shoot the bullets then you have to be accountable for where they land. Sex is just like guns. Be responsible and be accountable.

Agreed. I use these magical devices, called "con-doms".

Seriously though, combining condoms and birth control with a steady partner, and you have a winning combo wherein you don't need to worry about abortions. Given a few more years, I may just get a vasectomy and then we don't need to worry about condoms, just birth control (juuuust in case). I prefer to double up on forms of protection for simple reasons - if one is 99% effective and another is 99.98% effective, then... I have, now, a .02% chance of a 1% chance. Math is fun.

[Twinsen]

Haha, they look like a baby and have a heart beat and such very very quickly. Like 4 weeks or something.

[doubloon]

ttp://i20.photobucket.com/albums/b235/trey_phish83/1293413137890.jpg

Haha, they look like a baby and have a heart beat and such very very quickly. Like 4 weeks or something.

My car has a water pump.

[Twinsen]

I was just mocking the image. That applies to the day after pill or whatever it's called.

[doubloon]

I was just mocking the image. That applies to the day after pill or whatever it's called.

Ah ... day after is what I call it, that's about all I know about it.

[997turbo]

Well, lets take the acorn picture for example. The oak has an acorn stage, then it develops into a seedling stage, then a sapling stage, then a tree stage and then a great oak stage. All are different stages in its development, but it is what it is. It is always an oak, represented as an acorn, as a seedling, as a sapling, and as a great oak at different times.

You could, perhaps say, you where an unborn child or a zygote at one point in time. However, that implies that you, the person you are, existed, since conception. If you deny this, you would need to show a meaningful jucnture of change to show otherwise. Nevertheless, if you deny your existence as a person before birth, you must accept that you came into existence at birth.

But, is birth a meaningful juncture in identity change such that the body that was developing wasn't him and then it became him at birth?

The answer is no, it is not a meaningful juncture. The only thing that changes at birth is the child's location. It is inside the mother, then it moves outside of the mother. That's the only thing that changes. Change of location is not a relevant change to change the very identity of a thing, in this case a person.

Back to the acorn. The tree (adult) is just the final stage in the process. The acorn (zygote) is also one stage in the process. Both are the same identity in different stages.

[doubloon]

http://i20.photobucket.com/albums/b235/ ... 137890.jpg

Well, lets take the acorn ...

Fail.

Does it make any sense to you now that you read it after you're sober?

[silencertalk]

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2011/02 ... carriages/

The legislation from Rep. Bobby Franklin, a Republican, would make all abortions, described as "prenatal murder," illegal based on the belief that all life begins at conception. The bill's definition of "prenatal murder" excludes miscarriages "so long as there is no human involvement whatsoever" in causing them. Anyone convicted would face the death penalty or life behind bars.

[silencertalk]

http://action.now.org/p/dia/action/publ ... n_KEY=3263

The No Taxpayer Funding for Abortion Act would codify a collection of federal abortion funding restrictions referred to as the Hyde Amendment. Under the Hyde Amendment, federal funding for abortion care is segregated from all other forms of health care and severely restricted. This grave injustice puts women's health and lives at risk and disproportionately harms women of color.

Killing your baby is just health care now.

How does it harm women of color? You mean women of color are disproportionately dependent on other people to pay their bills? So in other words, any reduction in taxes disproportionately harms women of color? And they want to make a point of this?

Cruelly, H.R. 3 narrows rape exceptions currently present in the Hyde Amendment to only "forcible" rapes. Does the radical right believe "forcible" rape includes date rape, rape occurring as a result of being drugged by a perpetrator, while a woman is intoxicated or asleep, after consent has been withdrawn or while a woman does her best not to get further injured or killed? No, they don't -- and now they want to further attack women who have been sexually assaulted.

I am not sure if I am the radical right, but date-rape is not a term sufficient to define if the rape was forced or not. Either it was or was not, and that has nothing to do with if you knew the person or were on a date.

[doubloon]

Hnmm ... we should start applying that line of reasoning to more things.

Gun control disproportionately harms people of color because it raises the cost of ammunition and firearm ownership.

[trey_phish83]

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redneck elected officials can't decide what you do with your body.

[silencertalk]

They are not merely fighting to keep killing if babies legal, but they want you to pay for it!

This is a better analogy:

"The proposed ban of taxpayer-funded free guns and making people pay for their own self-defense guns disproportionately harms people of color."

[jppd47]

This is a reason the debate is difficult. Some will say they dont want tax money paying for abortions, unless it was rape. Thats just a compromise. Saying its ok to kill the baby as long as you were forced to have it. Still killing a baby to a pro-lifer, no?

So why shouldnt it be covered? I guess its like cosmetic surgery only in the aspect that its optional. So to that I can agree that it should not be tax funded. I would assume that if a person was severely injured in an attack and needed cosmetic type surgery to breath right, that it would be covered if they had State insurance.

Having it offered as a "free way out" does neither the pro lifer or pro choicer a favor in seems. And an argument as to way some people would do it because its free as opposed to if they had to pay for it.

[silencertalk]

http://www.foxnews.com/world/2011/02/27 ... latestnews

The guidance also says that women who are deciding whether to have an abortion must be told that most do not suffer any psychological harm. Until now, their advice has been that while rates of psychiatric illness and self-harm in women are higher among those who had an abortion, there was no evidence that termination itself was likely to trigger psychological problems.

Its first recommendation on "what women need to know" instructs health professionals: "Women should be advised that abortion is generally safer than continuing a pregnancy to term."

[doubloon]

Yep ... millions of years of evolution to prove that abortion is generally safer than carrying to term ...

[trey_phish83]

i'd rather my taxes go to abortions then my taxes go to some welfare mother that can't afford to have a kid in the first place.

most likely there would be a good reason why she wants a free abortion, she cannot afford it. so how could she afford a kid?

[doubloon]

i'd rather my taxes go to abortions then my taxes go to some welfare mother that can't afford to have a kid in the first place.
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I would rather choose option C, the alternative to welfare. If this woman can plant rice with a kid on her back then welfare momma can pick up trash or pluck weeds on the highway the same way.

[PTK]

Yep ... millions of years of evolution to prove that abortion is generally safer than carrying to term ...

You didn't just seriously mean that as abortion isn't safe for certain groups of people, did you? I know a woman who was advised by her OB/GYN VERY strongly to get an abortion. 18, but looked like she was maybe 12-14. They told her that quite simply her body wouldn't be able to safely handle being pregnant and that it would most likely kill her. Seems to be more common these days in certain groups of people, for whatever reason. Pharms, drugs, drugs when the mother was pregnant with them, etc.

[doubloon]

I meant it sarcastically and aimed at the idiots in the U.K. who seem to be basically giving abortions in general a rubber stamp of approval. I realize the article at the link is terse and generalized. At the very least it reads like irresponsible journalism.

[PTK]

Ah, okay. I figured you hadn't just flown off the handle into illogical thinking.

[jppd47]

In the USA youd get fired for taking your baby to work like that I would imagine, to much of a liability

[trey_phish83]

option C works good for me to, they get nothing and like it.