So is BHO's re-election over after his Israel comments?

[CThomas]

He said Israel needs to go back to its 1967 borders. While I agree that the land they took was not legit and should have been given back as the borders of the world were set after WWII in my opinion. At the very least they should never have allowed any building on it, after all they said they needed it for a buffer zone. Some NY Jewish guy on Fox today said "If we gave it back where would they live". I found that statement so bizzare, so if I need more land I should be able to take my neighbors. Without the Jewish support I think BHO might be done

[Blaubart]

IMO - If one country attacks another and ends up losing ground, then it sucks to be them.

44 years ago was the time to negotiate. Now, as far as I'm concerned, the new border might as well be set in stone.

As far as the election goes, the people that were going to vote for him yesterday are still going to vote for him tomorrow. Libtards don't really give a s--t about what happens to Israel as long as the fighting over there stops. If they can find any way to attribute that to Obama, or that he at least tried, then he's golden in their book.

[Hush]

IMO - If one country attacks another and ends up losing ground, then it sucks to be them.

44 years ago was the time to negotiate. Now, as far as I'm concerned, the new border might as well be set in stone.

+1 I'm with the big fella on this.

[doubloon]

The border should stand.

Otherwise how far back should you go returning borders to their origin?

[CThomas]

IMO - If one country attacks another and ends up losing ground, then it sucks to be them.

44 years ago was the time to negotiate. Now, as far as I'm concerned, the new border might as well be set in stone.

+1 I'm with the big fella on this.

But the debate has been going on for 44 years.
As far as the election goes the jewish vote overall maybe small but their money and influence in states like NY, Cali and Fl carry weight. Most of the NY jews I know would be pissed at any mention of anyone messing with Israel so if BHO continues with this line he can forget about their vote and $.

The odd thing is that every jewish person I know personally but for one are democrats, most all were not fans of people of color but they would act like they loved everyone, they hated the idea of redistribution of wealth, they did not like unions, they were not very generous to causes outside of jewish causes, and while they hated or disliked guns in the US they were all for them in Israel. I always wonder why so many jewish people are democrats. The one jewish guy I know who is a republican is a gun loving, race neutral guy, go figure

[continuity]

IMO - If one country attacks another and ends up losing ground, then it sucks to be them.

44 years ago was the time to negotiate. Now, as far as I'm concerned, the new border might as well be set in stone.

As far as the election goes, the people that were going to vote for him yesterday are still going to vote for him tomorrow. Libtards don't really give a s--t about what happens to Israel as long as the fighting over there stops. If they can find any way to attribute that to Obama, or that he at least tried, then he's golden in their book.

My nutcase neighbor's with Blaubart on this one.

[jaredr]

IMO - If one country attacks another and ends up losing ground, then it sucks to be them.

44 years ago was the time to negotiate. Now, as far as I'm concerned, the new border might as well be set in stone.

This.

[Abiqua]

IMO - If one country attacks another and ends up losing ground, then it sucks to be them.

44 years ago was the time to negotiate. Now, as far as I'm concerned, the new border might as well be set in stone.

+1 I'm with the big fella on this.

Me too. Israel took the land to protect themselves.

[stevejobs]

Won't be enough to sway the vote unless it's like 49/51

[driver6814]

You win it you keep it.

Think about all the countries, and oil we would own!!!

[mudshark]

American Jewish liberals (and most are liberals) are liberals first. For many, being a liberal is more of a way of life to them than being a Jew.

Sure, they do all the holidays, have Briss's and Barmitvahs and have a Chupa at their wedding - but when it comes to taking sides, a liberal Democrat POTUS is going to win out over Isreal every time...


The late Aaron Zelman, who I had the distinct honor and privledge of meeting once, often refered to Jews like that as "self loathing Jews".


So maybe he Zero loses a few votes in Boca over this. He'll make up for it in fradulent votes cast by dead ACORN democrats...

[jlwilliams]

I don't know if it will cost him the election, but it's a stupid idea. The 1967 border wasn't a peacefull status quo, thus the 1968 war. How going back to the situation that led to war is now going to somehow bring peace is beyond me. It's just a dumb idea.

[wolf]

I really think we should turn the clock back ,;o) and change the borders according

after all there was a time Denmark was in control of Norway Sweden part of Germany Russia Estonia etc,,,,
England Spain
and we even went to America Loooong before Columbus ;o)

no really , you start a war and lose , thats it
or should Denmark haver all these places back
what about Germany
they lost ground after WW1 and WW2 ,should they have that ground back

if there is no consequences for you actions , then what will prevent stupid to repeat attacking

this is typical Democrat talk

WE make a mistake , but OTHERS have to clean it up (thats why the side with those who lost ground )

If Obummer really wants to start a fire in the middle east , then this is a sure way


the he have another way to make the US people pay even more for these small wars

its a catch 22 ,,,and he KNOWS IT

maybe thats why he does it , ,,the bill /consequences for his actions , will have to be paid for by the nexts many generations , for sure not by him ,,he just get his pockets filled while doing it

in the end his fathers dream will come true , 100% tax


about Jewish democrats

i think they are Democrats for the same reason most democrats is it ,,, personal gain ,for sure not social responsibility.

they vote for those who give them the best benefit, some get that as welfare . some gets it as opportunities ,,as in project they can milk

the rest might really believe socialism works , some of those those are the voters that later change where they vote , when they wake up and realize the left propaganda was just that , empty propaganda, for a impossible case

the rest just never wants to face reality , and rather hope and dream , ruining there grand children future while dreaming ;o(

[Syntax360]

I don't think this speech will at all shake the allegiance of most Jews to Obama and the Democratic party. The exact comment he made was, "The borders of Israel and Palestine should be based on the 1967 lines with mutually agreed swaps, so that secure and recognized borders are established for both states." There are already plenty of Jewish talking heads rushing to defend Barack's position because of the "swaps" caveat.

Of course both sides will not be able to mutually agree - that is the crux of the problem we face today. The Palestinians do not even want to join Israel at the bargaining table to begin the process - it is politically expedient for them to have an enemy to rage against, both locally and on the world stage. If Israel did not exist, who would they blame for every shortcoming in their personal and political lives? A lot of that angst would have to be focused inward on many of the same people who are presently faulting The Great Jewish Conspiracy and Oppression Machine for all their woes.

It's a giant clusterfuck, and this speech certainly did nothing but pour gasoline on the fire. Hope and change, folks...

[wolf]

I wouldnt say Obummer did pour gasoline on the fire

those people was already walking in a sea of gasoline ,carrying powder

No,, what Obummer did, was throwing them a lighted match

now we have to see the results ;0)

But its true that the Palestinian leadership cant afford peace
if they got peace , where would the millions of Palestinians refuges live ,that now could return due to the peace

there are more Palestinians living in other country's , than Jews on the west banks

so who is it that live on others ground ;o) against the people who live in those countrys
and they make more trouble than the anybody like

[CThomas]

I just thought it was funny how BHO kept saying in his speech that the US or America is for this. I sometimes thinks he speaks out of turn for the rest of us

No doubt that going back will put Israel at more risk but hat was a big land grab. No doubt if Israel gave the land up or back and it would not stop the loons, but heck if it would cause these loons to turn on themselves would that be a bad thing.

So to the victor goes the spoils
So Japan attacked us so we chould have taken all of their land if we wanted. Now the jihadies who attacked us are not soldiers of a country so I guess we cannot take Afghanistan, Syria, Yemen, Saudi Arabia etc.

[Buzduk]

Any land that any country has was taken or defended numerous times throughout the ages. In this time of political correctness people cant even fathom the thought of just coming in and jacking some ones turf. But this is the way it has always been done. Think of land as post 86 MG's.

[jaredr]

So to the victor goes the spoils

exactly so.

seems simple enough - if you don't want to risk losing your land (and everything else associated with your soverignty) then keep your armies to yourself.

if you want to mass troops on your neighbors borders and sponsor terrorist incursions, then go ahead and do so but be advised you may get your ass handed to you and lose, badly.

egypt, jordan, and syria all made their choices 43 years ago. how pathetic that they now look for a sympathetic world opinion to undo the circumstances they've created for themselves.

do think it is a legitimate question to ask whether obama is going to genuinely pursue lobbying israel to roll it's borders back (no f-cking chance of that happening) or is this just a timely sop from the obama administration to the arab community, attempting to build some dialog after humiliating pakistan with the interdiction of OBL? suspect it may be more the latter - obama is a savvy politician and this is just more yabbering to momentarily appease the world muslim community for a moment, even while nothing will ever come of it and israel will continue building in the gaza strip and sinai peninsula because it's their land now.

edited because i can't spell

[finn]

Israel is expected to act like a first-world country that follows rules. It is what separates them from Hamas and Hezbollah, which are blatant terrorist organizations. If they want to act like Hamas and Hezbollah, and conquer and colonize, then they should stop pussyfooting around, and they should do so without the support of my taxes.

[jaredr]

Israel is expected to act like a first-world country that follows rules.

absolutely agree. I think that when you're dealing with third-world barely civilized nation-states that have no rule of law and pursue a publicly acknowledged terrorist agenda, the rules are "if you initiate military action against us, we'll wipe you off the map and salt the earth behind us on our way home".

[JimmyB]

Should the United States go back to what border in what year
Do we give back land to France or Spain? How about we give it all back to the Indians?

The West Bank never did belong to Jordan and it was never recognized as such. Jordan had an illegal occupation of the area but lost it after two wars with Israel.

[finn]

This is my point. Conquering and pillaging were acceptable 100 years ago. Mexico got over the fact that we took the southwest by force back in the day. Things don't work this way anymore. Israel needs to act like a modern first-world country to be taken seriously.

Should the United States go back to what border in what year
Do we give back land to France or Spain? How about we give it all back to the Indians?

[CThomas]

Should the United States go back to what border in what year
Do we give back land to France or Spain? How about we give it all back to the Indians?

The West Bank never did belong to Jordan and it was never recognized as such. Jordan had an illegal occupation of the area but lost it after two wars with Israel.

Grasshopper you must have missed where I said that I felt that the borders of the world were drawn after WWII.

[renegade]

Grasshopper you must have missed where I said that I felt that the borders of the world were drawn after WWII.

That is just an arbitrary point in time that suits you. Israels prefers the borders as they were in 1968. China too. You think China is going to give back Tibet?

Israel has already given back the land they obtained from the 73 war. I guess they figure that is enough.

[silencertalk]

We stole a good part of this country. The days of just taking land are over though. I have no idea who is right, the Israelis or the Palestinians. I do remember a Jewish kid in junior high school who sent money to the PLO and he thought they were right, but he was unusual.