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welded and riveted suppressor legally lengthen barrel?

Post by fun2drv » Wed Jan 16, 2019 6:54 pm

I have a 9mm Palmetto armory ar15. I've ordered a 10.5" barrel for it that I'm going to permanently attach my 6 1/2" form 1 suppressor to. The suppress is all Titanium. I can easily tack weld a barrel nut to make the threaded cap permanent. But now I need to make the tube permanently attached to the threaded cap. I was wondering if riveting it would satisfy the requirements since titanium is such a pain to braze or weld. Any suggestions or opinions?

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Re: welded and riveted suppressor legally lengthen barrel?

Post by fishman » Wed Jan 16, 2019 7:07 pm

No that doesn't meet the requirement.

I recommend not welding silencers onto barrels. I wish I never had.

On a more helpfull note. You can pin the tube to the endcap, then weld over the pin. Thats what I did. No titanium welding required.
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Re: welded and riveted suppressor legally lengthen barrel?

Post by fun2drv » Wed Jan 16, 2019 7:23 pm

Both of the end caps, tube and baffles are titanium. I could pin, but since everything is titanium, I can't weld over the pin and have the weld hold to the titanium. I may have to find a shop that can braze titanium for me. Once I do, can I leave the far end cap removable to be able to remove and clean the baffle stack? The tube and threaded cap would be permanently attached. Thanks for the quick reply!

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Re: welded and riveted suppressor legally lengthen barrel?

Post by fishman » Wed Jan 16, 2019 7:48 pm

Just find an FFL that can weld titanium. Its not rocket science. Have them weld the tube to the cap, and pin the cap to the barrel.
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Re: welded and riveted suppressor legally lengthen barrel?

Post by ECCO Machine » Sat Jan 26, 2019 2:34 pm

fun2drv wrote: I was wondering if riveting it would satisfy the requirements since titanium is such a pain to braze or weld. Any suggestions or opinions?
Ti is not difficult to weld at all. The challenge is maintaining an inert atmosphere so as not to oxidize the metal in the HAZ. But for TIG welding a pin, you HAZ is tiny, not enough to worry about IMO.

Don't try to braze, though. Too much HAZ.
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Re: welded and riveted suppressor legally lengthen barrel?

Post by zevdogs » Sun Jan 27, 2019 9:28 pm

Dont weld something you might want to change
This is what i did to my rifle in order to suppress and not SBR

https://youtu.be/UKpfdf3bcRU

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Re: welded and riveted suppressor legally lengthen barrel?

Post by crazyelece » Sat Mar 02, 2019 12:12 am

High temp silver soldier would work, but unless SBRs are illegal in your state it really isn't worth it.

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Post by fishman » Sat Mar 02, 2019 1:29 pm

crazyelece wrote:High temp silver soldier would work, but unless SBRs are illegal in your state it really isn't worth it.
Brazing titanium will weaken it unless you did it in the absence of oxygen somehow. You couldn't use a torch or any flame
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Re: welded and riveted suppressor legally lengthen barrel?

Post by T-Rex » Sat Mar 02, 2019 7:23 pm

fishman wrote:Brazing titanium will weaken it unless you did it in the absence of oxygen somehow. You couldn't use a torch or any flame
The flux used in the brazing process will protect the joint from oxidation. Just don't get the metal anywhere near bright cherry or the flux will start to burn off.

Personally, I'd rather pin/weld than silver solder. Much easier when it comes to removal time.
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Re: welded and riveted suppressor legally lengthen barrel?

Post by Aaron » Sun Mar 24, 2019 9:23 pm

Buy a long handguard and pin that. I've seen 10/22s with short barrels with affixed suppressor shrouds that don't require stamps because the shroud is permanently affixed and contributes to the OAL

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Re: welded and riveted suppressor legally lengthen barrel?

Post by fishman » Mon Jun 03, 2019 4:50 pm

Depending on the handguard, that can add a lot of weight. 17" handguards aren't usually designed for lightweight builds. Maybe a custom titanium handguard?
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