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Solution to bumpfire stock and binary trigger problem

Post by YugoRPK » Wed Nov 29, 2017 6:54 pm

I came up with a plan to remedy the bumpfire and binary trigger problem. I propose that Congress and the ATF declare the guns they are installed in machine guns and ban new production of the stocks and trigger parts. Since the ones out there were purchased legally the guns should be allowed into the NFA registry as registered receiver machine guns since that is what they clearly are. Tax free of course.
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Re: Solution to bumpfire stock and binary trigger problem

Post by johndoe3 » Wed Nov 29, 2017 7:11 pm

After they are in the registry you can modify them from somewhat-like-a-machine-gun-in-a-vague-way into a real full automatic machine gun, since they are already in the registry. (YugoRPK's stealth method of getting a brand new registered machine gun on the cheap :-).

Of course if this method worked, we'd all be wise to stockpile as many of these as possible before the window opened.
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Re: Solution to bumpfire stock and binary trigger problem

Post by fishman » Wed Nov 29, 2017 7:51 pm

johndoe3 wrote: Of course if this method worked, we'd all be wise to stockpile as many of these as possible before the window opened.
Id buy a s--t ton of material and make 500 of them.
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Re: Solution to bumpfire stock and binary trigger problem

Post by YugoRPK » Wed Nov 29, 2017 9:31 pm

I'd whittle a few dozen out of easy cheese.
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Re: Solution to bumpfire stock and binary trigger problem

Post by doubloon » Wed Nov 29, 2017 10:04 pm

I'm thinking just buy a pack of 12,000 and be done with it.

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Re: Solution to bumpfire stock and binary trigger problem

Post by poikilotrm » Sat Dec 02, 2017 1:10 pm

johndoe3 wrote: Of course if this method worked, we'd all be wise to stockpile as many of these as possible before the window opened.
No need. The ATF has ruled that once a machinegun, always a machinegun. Buy one, slide it onto ten rifles for a second each, ten machineguns. Magic.
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Re: Solution to bumpfire stock and binary trigger problem

Post by YugoRPK » Sat Dec 02, 2017 2:38 pm

Not how DIAS's work. Just the gun theyre in. I only brought that up because that what Gabby Gifford, or whoever she pays to think for her now, proposed. Make bumpstocks and binary triggers under the NFA as machine guns. Not sure how you'd do that with a multi part binary trigger ( its really just the selector and the disconnector ) . In any case if the gun they are in is a machinegun then the rest of the machine gun rules would apply. Short barrels etc.
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Post by 3strucking » Sun Dec 03, 2017 11:39 am

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Re: Solution to bumpfire stock and binary trigger problem

Post by TomServo » Mon Dec 04, 2017 9:02 am

Allowing registry of the ones already in the wild as stand-alone machine guns (like DIAS) is the only action that makes sense other than inaction. Honesly, you don't need these to bumpfire, so the idea of banning them or registering them strikes me as insane.

Many people report these make bumpfire from the shoulder more accurate and controlable. Having control of your gun should be considered a good thing. We will only see more bullets in the ceiling or over the berm without these, and the shooter in the recent tragedy was not going for accuracy, so there really is no reason to argue for a ban.

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Re: Solution to bumpfire stock and binary trigger problem

Post by YugoRPK » Mon Dec 04, 2017 3:49 pm

Aside from the fact he was a homicidal maniac I wonder about the decision making process of that guy anyway. OK. Youve committed yourself to the fact that your'e going to mow down a bunch of people. Instead of spending the money on a goofy ass bump stock spend the money on a drilling fixture and $70 worth of M16 parts instead. Then maybe you wont need 24 guns laying around your hotel room. You can change magazines instead of guns.
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Re: Solution to bumpfire stock and binary trigger problem

Post by poikilotrm » Mon Dec 04, 2017 6:48 pm

YugoRPK wrote:Aside from the fact he was a homicidal maniac I wonder about the decision making process of that guy anyway. OK. Youve committed yourself to the fact that your'e going to mow down a bunch of people. Instead of spending the money on a goofy ass bump stock spend the money on a drilling fixture and $70 worth of M16 parts instead. Then maybe you wont need 24 guns laying around your hotel room. You can change magazines instead of guns.
Think about how liberals get their firearms education and “expertise”.

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The idiot liberal pro-police state thug lawyer in my case was quite fixated on what he considered to be my “arsenal” of guns. I asked him why people like him were so fixated on the number of guns people might own. It was an interesting discussion.
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Re: Solution to bumpfire stock and binary trigger problem

Post by BobbyJohn » Tue Jan 02, 2018 5:42 am

Well they are going to have a hard time actually classifying a bum stock as a machine gun, machine gun releases more than one round per trigger pull, bump stock does not meet their definition of a machine gun, because no matter how many rounds per minute you are putting out, you are still pulling that trigger once for every round released.

They can him ha all they one, by the definitions they have come up with a bump stock does not turn a semi automatic into a fully automatic firearm. I own 3 M16 FA guns and I also have a couple of bump stock guns, the action and technique is completely different between the two, I can also simulate auto fire without any aids at all, I can bump fire a gun without a bump stock.

They would put them self in a very bad position after they have already determined and stated they are legal firearm accessories and not subject to regulation under the GCA or the NFA, in all honestly, I really think they would just like the whole issue to go away, or have Congress step in and make a decision, they don't want to be involved.

Right now they have a survey going on about bump stocks, under the guise of a study, but when it is all said and done, I believe they are going to let Congress and the states deal with them, they will go through the motions and determine that they made the correct determination in the first place on the bump stocks.
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Re: Solution to bumpfire stock and binary trigger problem

Post by doubloon » Tue Jan 02, 2018 10:13 am

I'm guessing if they were to attempt to regulate bump fire devices it wouldn't be by literally redefining the machine gun.

Also, specifically banning or regulating bump "stocks" is too narrow to be effective. It wouldn't cover rubber bands or trigger cranks or extra springy butt pads or hamster wheels.

They would probably fall back on the type of weasel wording previously used like "parts when placed in close proximity that serve no useful purpose other than to" or "parts designed or redesigned or intended to" ... "increase rate of fire yada yada, blah blah", maybe (begrudgingly) something about "mechanical advantage".

Something like this might be broad enough to hang someone by the nuts for parts either external or internal that facilitate the emptying of a magazine quickly.

The problem is it gets sticky when attempting to define what is a regulatable ( <- real word? ) increase in rate of fire because of this guy ... 480 rounds per minute with an unmodified wheelgun and no external parts.

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How fast is too fast to pull a trigger? A device that provides a mechanical advantage to increase rate of fire and yet does not out shoot a guy squeezing the bang switch with his booger hook would be an embarrassment in logical aptitude, as has been demonstrated in the past, not quite beyond the ability of the of the BATFE.

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Re: Solution to bumpfire stock and binary trigger problem

Post by O2HeN2 » Tue Jan 02, 2018 3:31 pm

doubloon wrote:The godfather of speed on how to shoot fast.
Nope, that'd be Bob Munden. Jerry does it with real ammo, though!

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Re: Solution to bumpfire stock and binary trigger problem

Post by doubloon » Tue Jan 02, 2018 4:18 pm

O2HeN2 wrote:
doubloon wrote:The godfather of speed on how to shoot fast.
Nope, that'd be Bob Munden. Jerry does it with real ammo, though!

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Re: Solution to bumpfire stock and binary trigger problem

Post by T-Rex » Tue Jan 02, 2018 4:52 pm

doubloon wrote:How fast is too fast to pull a trigger?
Here's one of Jerry vs a Bumpfire stock. Wait until the very end, they slo-mo it and you can see he is a fraction of a sec behind, with the final shot. :lol:
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Re: Solution to bumpfire stock and binary trigger problem

Post by doubloon » Tue Jan 02, 2018 6:31 pm

T-Rex wrote:...
Here's one of Jerry vs a Bumpfire stock. Wait until the very end, they slo-mo it and you can see he is a fraction of a sec behind, with the final shot. :lol:
I bet more of his shots were on target too.
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Re: Solution to bumpfire stock and binary trigger problem

Post by Siskiyous » Fri Aug 02, 2019 3:47 am

This may be the plan all along.

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