fa or burst opinions and reasons...

Machineguns, assault rifles, subguns, SBRs, etc. Photos, questions, discussion. General talk.

Moderators: mpallett, bakerjw

Post Reply
muellerdeal
Member
Posts: 36
Joined: Sun Dec 21, 2014 12:17 am

fa or burst opinions and reasons...

Post by muellerdeal » Sun Feb 15, 2015 1:21 am

so i was in the service and love shooting FA, but from a tactical or ops position i believe 3 rd burst most effective. #1 round count. #2 target accusation, #3 less spray

for fun and recreation FA is fun but expensive.

opinions? comments?

User avatar
T-Rex
Silent But Deadly
Posts: 1866
Joined: Wed Oct 29, 2014 4:38 pm
Location: CT - The AntiConstitution State

Re: fa or burst opinions and reasons...

Post by T-Rex » Sun Feb 15, 2015 12:20 pm

I never saw the allure of 3RB, not saying there is any at all. The military went to 3RB due to wasted ammo and accuracy from FA. It obviously not fool proof since there are M4s with FA trigger groups.

In my home state, you can not have select-fire so FA would be my option. Since your paying the same for either, I'd go FA. Just master your trigger control and you'll be all set.

What platform did you have in mind?
Completed Builds www.silencertalk.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=79895
Burst Calculator www.engineersedge.com/calculators/pipe_bust_calc.htm
Silencer Porn www.instagram.com/explore/tags/silencerporn/

User avatar
WhisperFan
Silent But Deadly
Posts: 1550
Joined: Sat Jun 16, 2007 9:08 pm

Re: fa or burst opinions and reasons...

Post by WhisperFan » Sun Feb 15, 2015 8:58 pm

I believe that all FA is a lot more fun when someone else (like Uncle Sam) is paying for the ammo :wink:
As nightfall does not come all at once, neither does oppression. In both instances, there is a twilight when everything remains seemingly unchanged. And it is in such a twilight that we all must be aware of change in the air -- however slight -- lest we become unwilling victims of the darkness.
Justice William O. Douglas

User avatar
eastern_hunter
Silent But Deadly
Posts: 966
Joined: Sat Nov 21, 2009 10:34 pm
Location: Charleston, WV

Re: fa or burst opinions and reasons...

Post by eastern_hunter » Sun Feb 15, 2015 10:51 pm

Burst set ups are often clockwork sorts of mechanisms ... if you let off the trigger before the burst is finished the gun stops and the next trigger pull completes the interrupted sequence. Is a bit odd.

Personally I prefer to have the the option of controlling the length of burst myself.

User avatar
jreinke
Silent But Deadly
Posts: 1227
Joined: Sat Jan 27, 2007 12:32 am
Location: WI, USA
Contact:

Re: fa or burst opinions and reasons...

Post by jreinke » Mon Feb 16, 2015 8:33 am

I read that the military (which branch I forget) is dropping the burst in favor of full auto. I seams that semi-auto trigger pull varies for every 1/3 rotation of the burst cam and marksmanship scores suffer as a result.

ETA - It's the Army, found this paragraph with a little searching: "The decision to convert the service’s 500,000 M4s into M4A1s by 2020 will give soldiers features such as a heavier barrel, an ambidextrous selector switch and a full-auto trigger. The Army’s decision to dump the current three-round burst trigger will give shooters a more consistent trigger pull and lead to better accuracy, weapons officials maintain."

Read more: http://kitup.military.com/2014/05/army- ... z3RuYJGlxz
Kit Up!
[url=http://militarysignatures.com][img]http://militarysignatures.com/signatures/member1236.png[/img][/url]

User avatar
silencertalk
Site Admin
Posts: 33985
Joined: Mon Apr 25, 2005 9:31 am
Location: USA

Re: fa or burst opinions and reasons...

Post by silencertalk » Mon Feb 16, 2015 9:04 am

Burst is ultra-stupid. Use semi-auto for all actual use (including actual military use), and full auto for recreational use.

User avatar
Artful
Silent But Deadly
Posts: 4392
Joined: Wed Aug 17, 2005 11:47 pm
Location: Phx,AZ
Contact:

Re: fa or burst opinions and reasons...

Post by Artful » Mon Feb 16, 2015 3:57 pm

on most centerfire I prefer full auto option - on ultra fast fire weapons (22LR conversions that run 2000 rpm for example) I prefer the burst option unless just want the feel good fun.
"Trying to tax yourself into prosperity is like standing in a bucket and trying to pick yourself up by the handle." - Winston Churchill

rimshaker
Silent But Deadly
Posts: 1038
Joined: Mon Jul 23, 2012 11:15 am
Location: FL

Re: fa or burst opinions and reasons...

Post by rimshaker » Tue Feb 17, 2015 1:17 am

In my daydreams I see myself only buying FA machine guns. It's a huge waste of $$ to be stuck with only burst for recreation.

I've heard that most people with a burst MG end up converting to FA anyway.

dark2023
Silent Operator
Posts: 65
Joined: Wed Aug 27, 2014 6:28 pm
Location: North Carolina

Re: fa or burst opinions and reasons...

Post by dark2023 » Tue Feb 17, 2015 8:32 am

Burst set ups are often clockwork sorts of mechanisms ... if you let off the trigger before the burst is finished the gun stops and the next trigger pull completes the interrupted sequence. Is a bit odd.
Some do, some dont. I believe the Sig rifles reset regardless of if you let the burst finish or not.

I honestly love burst, though I feel that 2 round burst is more useful, especially if the rate of fire is somewhere around or over 1000rpm, The AN-94, UMP .45 and Kriss Vector all do this quite well.

Burst was intended to keep soldiers from wasting ammo, even if you teach someone to use proper trigger control and only shoot in short salvos, once they get on the battlefield and the adrenaline starts flowing all bets go out the window. Burst is meant to force them to keep the ammo expenditure down and reasonable.
A gun is meant to protect your life, not your wallet. Things can be replaced, people cant.

Kramer
Silent But Deadly
Posts: 1083
Joined: Sat Dec 20, 2008 5:13 pm
Location: nePA

Re: fa or burst opinions and reasons...

Post by Kramer » Tue Feb 17, 2015 10:07 pm

dark2023 wrote:
Burst set ups are often clockwork sorts of mechanisms ... if you let off the trigger before the burst is finished the gun stops and the next trigger pull completes the interrupted sequence. Is a bit odd.
Some do, some don't. I believe the Sig rifles reset regardless of if you let the burst finish or not.
I have a FNC MG with the three shot burst. On the FNC it resets when you release the trigger so you will not get caught short on follow up bursts.

Three shot burst is great when you have someone that wants to shoot yore MG, but has limited to no experience shooting full auto.

User avatar
Slow Hand
Silent Operator
Posts: 56
Joined: Mon Feb 24, 2014 6:46 am
Location: Indiana

Re: fa or burst opinions and reasons...

Post by Slow Hand » Wed Feb 18, 2015 10:35 am

My AC556 has semi, burst, and full auto settings. It has the ratchet system so if you are off the trigger quick enough for two rounds, you only get one shot the next pull. I use it for FA beginners and with the .22 kit. It's pretty easy to get two shots in full auto so that's how I normally have it set. I believe it's around 750 rpm in .223 but jumps to about 1200 rpm with the .22 conversion in it. A .30 round mag empties pretty quick at that rate so I normally stick in burst mode. If it were an M16 where your only choice was semi and burst, I'd be swapping out trigger groups!

Post Reply