I have an AC556 with the Ciener .22LR conversion. I'm using the Black Dog magazines since Ciener mags are not available.
The main issue is that my chamber adapter and bolt don't line up very well. The extractor doesn't have enough energy to over come this all the time and won't extract fired cases reliably.
The second issue is that the feed ramp is very short. Looking at the bolt and adapter I think a small feed ramp could be welded onto the adapter and a corresponding bit cut out of the bolt. Adapter:
Bolt:
Ciener is totally worthless as far as customer service is concerned. I'd like to know if anybody works on these conversions. Thanks!
.22 Conversion issues
.22 Conversion issues
SWR 556 Specwar, 762 Specwar, Octane 45HD, Spectre II; SilencerCo Osprey 45, Omega; AAC Pilot, 300TM; Ruger AC556
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Re: .22 Conversion issues
He's also in jail on felony charges. So my guess is he won't be working on his own product ever again.Ciener is totally worthless as far as customer service is concerned.
Re: .22 Conversion issues
I heard the charges from a few years ago were dropped.
Is he in jail for something else now?
Is he in jail for something else now?
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Re: .22 Conversion issues
My conversion kit came with that same chamber insert. It leaded horribly and would not feed from Black Dog mags. I found out that I had an older style insert and the newer one had a feed ramp. The new one looks like this:
You can read what I dealt with in getting a new one here:
http://ingunowners.com/forums/online-me ... sions.html
This was several years ago, but I cannot imagine he's gotten any better...
You can read what I dealt with in getting a new one here:
http://ingunowners.com/forums/online-me ... sions.html
This was several years ago, but I cannot imagine he's gotten any better...
Re: .22 Conversion issues
As far as working on them, I doubt you'll have much luck. But your best bet is to contact the guys at Black Dog, they sell spare parts for the conversions and mya be able to help you out.
Re: .22 Conversion issues
Yea I would like to avoid dealing with Ciener but if he has the appropriate adapter for it now I'll get that rather than have one made. Does your new adapter work pretty well?
SWR 556 Specwar, 762 Specwar, Octane 45HD, Spectre II; SilencerCo Osprey 45, Omega; AAC Pilot, 300TM; Ruger AC556
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Re: .22 Conversion issues
Yep, big improvement over the old one! I thought about silver soldering a hunk of steel to the old on and filing out a feed ramp, but figured it was worth the money (and hassle) of getting one from JAC(ass). If you can get them on the phone, it'd be better as you could be sure you have the current price....
Re: .22 Conversion issues
Well I printed off the order form from his website and sent that in so he better honor the price ($25). I picked up an assembled bolt as well so they better match up. My local gunsmith said he thought he could do what I was looking for but couldn't get to it for a few months. I told him I'd try the different adapter first.
SWR 556 Specwar, 762 Specwar, Octane 45HD, Spectre II; SilencerCo Osprey 45, Omega; AAC Pilot, 300TM; Ruger AC556
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Re: .22 Conversion issues
The new adapter and bolt were in my mailbox yesterday and I got them put in the gun. I checked the Black Dog mags and they feed better now.
SWR 556 Specwar, 762 Specwar, Octane 45HD, Spectre II; SilencerCo Osprey 45, Omega; AAC Pilot, 300TM; Ruger AC556
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Re: .22 Conversion issues
I got a chance to run it the other day, functioning is vastly improved however it still isn't 100%. Even HV stuff isn't always cocking the hammer.
SWR 556 Specwar, 762 Specwar, Octane 45HD, Spectre II; SilencerCo Osprey 45, Omega; AAC Pilot, 300TM; Ruger AC556
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