So who's filing for new Form 1 or Form 4 before Obama kills off NFA on trusts?

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So who's filing for new Form 1 or Form 4 before Obama kills off NFA on trusts?

Post by thepro8 » Mon Jan 11, 2016 6:44 pm

I filed my form 1 for SBR yerstday. Picked up 3 suppressors over the past year so I should be good now.

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Post by Bendersquint » Mon Jan 11, 2016 9:18 pm

thepro8 wrote:I filed my form 1 for SBR yerstday. Picked up 3 suppressors over the past year so I should be good now.
Obama didn't kill anything off on trusts....you can still get NFA through a trust, just an extra added inconvenience.

41P/R removed CLEO's from signing so thats a good thing, as that eliminates the neccesity for many to have a trust as their only means of acquiring NFA.

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Post by CanOfWhooppass » Tue Jan 12, 2016 9:50 am

I added a suppressor and a SBR, but reason is I think this will cause a mad rush, ATF will get backed up and wait times will get much longer than they have been. Also, worried about suppressor inventory dropping and not finding what I wanted in stock anywhere.
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Post by Tony M. » Tue Jan 12, 2016 12:56 pm

I try to file new forms every few months so I have christmas year round. I'm currently hoping to see the next toys in Feb or March.

With the rule change, that might become filing forms once a year. We'll see.

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Post by dtom29 » Wed Jan 13, 2016 11:21 am

Hurrying to get your forms in only makes sense if you think you will never buy anything ever again. That isn't what will happen in my case. I'll keep getting what I want as new innovative items appear. The sky is falling :roll: The sky is falling...

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Post by Tony M. » Thu Jan 14, 2016 2:33 am

dtom29 wrote:Hurrying to get your forms in only makes sense if you think you will never buy anything ever again. That isn't what will happen in my case. I'll keep getting what I want as new innovative items appear. The sky is falling :roll: The sky is falling...
It also makes sense if you're planning on getting the stuff anyways, and would prefer fewer hassles with photos and prints in the future.

Particularly for the folks who have a specific plan of what they'll be getting. I'm not that guy, but I know a few.

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Post by ericdraven » Thu Jan 14, 2016 6:34 pm

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dtom29 wrote:Hurrying to get your forms in only makes sense if you think you will never buy anything ever again. That isn't what will happen in my case. I'll keep getting what I want as new innovative items appear. The sky is falling :roll: The sky is falling...
It also makes sense if you're planning on getting the stuff anyways, and would prefer fewer hassles with photos and prints in the future.

Particularly for the folks who have a specific plan of what they'll be getting. I'm not that guy, but I know a few.
FTW . i went trust route to not have sheriff crap finger prints , photos . ive almost got all my stuff . i waiting on the i just bought the other day. because wait times will go over a year from here to next year easily .

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Post by thebangswitch » Thu Jan 14, 2016 8:19 pm

So with the new rules will I have to send prints for the trust and items I have or just if I buy new items after the law goes into effect

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Post by Bendersquint » Thu Jan 14, 2016 8:30 pm

thebangswitch wrote:So with the new rules will I have to send prints for the trust and items I have or just if I buy new items after the law goes into effect
New items and possibly when changes occur in your trust.

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Post by ericdraven » Fri Jan 15, 2016 2:14 am

thebangswitch wrote:So with the new rules will I have to send prints for the trust and items I have or just if I buy new items after the law goes into effect

new items , the new rules are still a good way away atleast over 6 months , thats why people are buying now , cause if atf cashes
check and goes pending they are not new items in some terms . not etched in stone as the whole damn thing is stupid and has it written is stupid .

im happy for folks who can buy now since sheriffs cant say no , but in same aspect , i dont like waiting for my s--t lol
wait times are gonna explode after this goes into affect. think about how many people who had a sorry ass CLEO who said no
to now all those folks will able to buy .

guaranteed when law goes in , wait times will go off the charts

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Re: So who's filing for new Form 1 or Form 4 before Obama kills off NFA on trusts?

Post by hardcase » Fri Jan 15, 2016 2:09 pm

Where I see potential for manipulation by CLEO who don't like NFA stuff is setting up appointments to do the finger prints, then having the only person who can do prints being "sick" that day making you re-schedule, time and again. There is a county in the central part of NC made up mostly of colleges and universities where the populace seem to think firearms in general are vulgar. I could see sand-bagging in this county.

NC's General Assembly passed a "shall sign" for suppressors recently.

If I lived in a county where the CLEO was a prick about it, I'd get my prints done in a different county.

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Post by colimr » Fri Jan 15, 2016 5:54 pm

With Trusts now requiring finger prints I know after july and new forms .What happens if the cleo decides to no longer do your finger prints ? You don't need his approval because it is will notify now but can he refuse to do your prints because he is pissed he was taken out of the loop?

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Post by RogerRonas » Fri Jan 15, 2016 10:55 pm

colimr wrote:With Trusts now requiring finger prints I know after july and new forms .What happens if the cleo decides to no longer do your finger prints ? You don't need his approval because it is will notify now but can he refuse to do your prints because he is pissed he was taken out of the loop?
I don't think it has to be CLEO, any police station can doit too. Also if I read correctly anyone that is certified can do prints, around here there are companies that offer moblie print taking that I'm sure would work.
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Post by Bendersquint » Sun Jan 17, 2016 11:56 am

colimr wrote:With Trusts now requiring finger prints I know after july and new forms .What happens if the cleo decides to no longer do your finger prints ? You don't need his approval because it is will notify now but can he refuse to do your prints because he is pissed he was taken out of the loop?
There are MANY places to get fingerprints done. Courthouse, MP station, Mall on fingerprint your kids day etc....lots.

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Post by colimr » Mon Jan 18, 2016 12:11 am

Bender your a very smart man but really naive.There are not many places to get prints done EVERYWHERE.And what is an MP station?my example I live in a very small town a local police dept and a county sheriff the municipalities like the village or town do not fingerprint the county seat is the sheriff the state police are 55 miles away and 2 substations within 25 miles not often manned fortunately the sheriff is a friend the chief of the pd isn't so other then scheduling the Sp to print when they can if the sheriff looses his election and a non NFA friendly sheriff is elected my question what to do for prints. not every member lives near malls some like me are country boys.you fail to realize the wide range of members here and I only ask about printing in case it should happen with this being election year and the 41 f in effect in July Can the local CLEO be forced to print for NFA? what regulation do members know of about legality of printing does it have to be done by a certified person (law enforcement),does it have to be done in my county of residence, can I have several print cards done at one time and use as needed?If you don't know that's ok but please don't make it seem like I have not given any thought to the question sometimes you really have a snotty superior attitude and are often referred to as one reason some former members say they left.I have often said if you don't know ask someone who does but sometimes asking you is a crap shoot will it be a real answer or a sarcastic demeaning answer that makes us feel ashamed we even asked. boot me if you wish but I just got tired of what I feel as snotty sarcastic answers from you like I said if is below you don't answer let someone who wants to help answer

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Post by T-Rex » Mon Jan 18, 2016 12:22 am

Don't tell them the fingerprints are NFA/gun related.
If they ask, you can politely decline to answer or say they're for a job interview.
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Post by colimr » Mon Jan 18, 2016 12:48 am

Thanks T-rex seems a bit sly but workable, appreciate the suggestion hopefully it won't come to that point

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Post by colimr » Mon Jan 18, 2016 1:59 am

Bender I apologize and want to thank you for taking time to message me.I am posting this on the board because the apology should be to you and all members publicly for my outburst.It was unprofessional,immature,and not necessary.Again thank you for messaging me.Tim

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Post by Kramer » Mon Jan 18, 2016 9:04 pm

colimr wrote:Bender I apologize and want to thank you for taking time to message me.I am posting this on the board because the apology should be to you and all members publicly for my outburst.It was unprofessional,immature,and not necessary.Again thank you for messaging me.Tim
You were not far off with your previous post. Here in PA it's not as easy as someone might think that lives many states away. The state police have been known not to do fingerprints for NFA transfers and yes they will want to know what you are requiring them for. Even municipal police are so so with fingerprinting unless you come in wearing cuffs.

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Post by Bendersquint » Mon Jan 18, 2016 9:43 pm

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colimr wrote:Bender I apologize and want to thank you for taking time to message me.I am posting this on the board because the apology should be to you and all members publicly for my outburst.It was unprofessional,immature,and not necessary.Again thank you for messaging me.Tim
You were not far off with your previous post. Here in PA it's not as easy as someone might think that lives many states away. The state police have been known not to do fingerprints for NFA transfers and yes they will want to know what you are requiring them for. Even municipal police are so so with fingerprinting unless you come in wearing cuffs.
All you need to do is say its for an employment background check, in the "reason" block write in job or job interview or something like that. Then they will never question it and you can get around CLEO's/PD's that don't like doing it for NFA guys. The NFA branch doesn't care what the "reason" block says....only that its your fingerprints and it is certified that they are your fingerprints.

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Post by Loki_stormbringer » Mon Jan 18, 2016 9:56 pm

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colimr wrote:Bender I apologize and want to thank you for taking time to message me.I am posting this on the board because the apology should be to you and all members publicly for my outburst.It was unprofessional,immature,and not necessary.Again thank you for messaging me.Tim
You were not far off with your previous post. Here in PA it's not as easy as someone might think that lives many states away. The state police have been known not to do fingerprints for NFA transfers and yes they will want to know what you are requiring them for. Even municipal police are so so with fingerprinting unless you come in wearing cuffs.
All you need to do is say its for an employment background check, in the "reason" block write in job or job interview or something like that. Then they will never question it and you can get around CLEO's/PD's that don't like doing it for NFA guys. The NFA branch doesn't care what the "reason" block says....only that its your fingerprints and it is certified that they are your fingerprints.
If you have a school near by, all the teachers would have had to gotten their fingerprints done somewhere. I would assume close to home.

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Post by colimr » Mon Jan 18, 2016 10:53 pm

Again all novel approaches to fingerprints with a huge draw back .Before 9/11 nobody would give a thought to someone going to a school asking about fingerprinting even a mall having an adult asking to be fingerprinted but today the first question will be WHY? The very last thing I would want is someone calling the SP or PD or Sheriff saying this guy cam in wanting finger prints NO one needs prints in my area Mc Donalds, Burger King, Dominoes and Pizza hut don't ask for prints we have no big mills or companies just family farms and agriculture county,town and village municipalities . I worked 23 Years for a county and never had prints taken even with a stint at a village Pd 30 years ago never had prints done.Reading the member suggestions makes me wonder where the heck do you guys live? Bender suggested an Mp Had to ask about that one.All good suggestions but advocating subterfuge to get prints taken makes me chuckle If the CLEO was against doing prints for NFA before imagine after investigating this guy wanting his prints for a job that needs them but doesn't exist in the area how he is going to see this guy or others ? lol..I will continue to hope the attitude toward Nfa continues to be positive buy the Sheriff hopefully the local Pd will change perceptions as the old guard retire I will be asking the Sheriff this week this question and share the suggestions I received here but Ill leave out the site name and who suggested the sly ones.I do however live very close to a state line and intend to ask the Sheriff if crossing state lines for prints is an option don't want to jinx his reelection chances lol.Thank you for all the suggestions

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Post by Bendersquint » Mon Jan 18, 2016 11:35 pm

colimr wrote:Again all novel approaches to fingerprints with a huge draw back .Before 9/11 nobody would give a thought to someone going to a school asking about fingerprinting even a mall having an adult asking to be fingerprinted but today the first question will be WHY? The very last thing I would want is someone calling the SP or PD or Sheriff saying this guy cam in wanting finger prints NO one needs prints in my area Mc Donalds, Burger King, Dominoes and Pizza hut don't ask for prints we have no big mills or companies just family farms and agriculture county,town and village municipalities . I worked 23 Years for a county and never had prints taken even with a stint at a village Pd 30 years ago never had prints done.Reading the member suggestions makes me wonder where the heck do you guys live? Bender suggested an Mp Had to ask about that one.All good suggestions but advocating subterfuge to get prints taken makes me chuckle If the CLEO was against doing prints for NFA before imagine after investigating this guy wanting his prints for a job that needs them but doesn't exist in the area how he is going to see this guy or others ? lol..I will continue to hope the attitude toward Nfa continues to be positive buy the Sheriff hopefully the local Pd will change perceptions as the old guard retire I will be asking the Sheriff this week this question and share the suggestions I received here but Ill leave out the site name and who suggested the sly ones.I do however live very close to a state line and intend to ask the Sheriff if crossing state lines for prints is an option don't want to jinx his reelection chances lol.Thank you for all the suggestions
People move all the time, you could be needing the prints for an out of state job application. You can always put down "background check", then you aren't being sneaky and just don't have to tell them what the FBI(group that would be running prints for a B/C anyways) is gonna do with the prints.

I don't believe they will take prints from another state, but not certain.

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Post by jlwilliams » Tue Jan 19, 2016 6:59 am

Even though most people with NFA trusts set them up to streamline the process or as a workaround for the CLEO sign off, the biggest real advantage of going with a trust is that it makes passing them to your kids way, way more convenient. You can pass them down when you see the time is right without waiting until you die to pass them down like you would with individually owned guns in an estate. When my son gets older, he can have access to my trust's toys just by me executing some simple addendums. No transfer of registrations, no new tax due, and I don't have to be dead. That by itself makes the cost of setting up the trust well worth while. So I need to get prints next time around. I may even need to call around to find an agency who will do the prints and (gasp!) get in my car and drive somewhere. Big deal, I'll figure that out when the time comes.

A trust is above all else a tool for estate planning. If you want to control your property and see to it that it goes to who you want it to go to, the trust is a tool that does that. If you have or plan on having kids, buying your NFA weapons in a trust makes big sense. Your kids (and your lawyer) will be glad you did in years to come.

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