What reasons are people denied a NFA approval? And if denied, does the dealer refund your money for the item?

Yep, that'll do it. Basically, anything that would prevent you from passing a NICS check and transferriing a regular firearm will keep you from being cleared for an NFA transfer. Felonies, criminal domestic violence, etc.

Thanks.

Another question.

Can the forms be filled in by hand or do they need to typed?

rockman96 wrote:Yep, that'll do it. Basically, anything that would prevent you from passing a NICS check and transferriing a regular firearm will keep you from being cleared for an NFA transfer. Felonies, criminal domestic violence, etc.

In this instance he still could pass a NICS check and fill out a 4473. It would be a few more weeks before he was indicted and became a prohibited person.

Is that why it states "charges", and not conviction as the reason?

rockman96 wrote:Is that why it states "charges", and not conviction as the reason?

Yes, that is all they knew and they wanted to know what the disposition was.

C'mon, you gotta tell us, did old boy get cleared and did he get his M42K? Did they refund him is 200 bucks? If not, and he got cleared, would he have to pay again? You see what I'm getting at.

copenhagen wrote:C'mon, you gotta tell us, did old boy get cleared and did he get his M42K? Did they refund him is 200 bucks? If not, and he got cleared, would he have to pay again? You see what I'm getting at.

He was indicted a few weeks later and became a prohibited person. I gave him his money back and sold can to someone else. He got his $200 back. He successfully took a deferred adjudication and all charges were dropped and is no longer a prohibited person.

That's good they gave him his 200 bucks back...you'd think he'd try to get the can again since his charges got dropped.

He might not have the money anymore. Lawyers are expensive.

slackercruster wrote:Thanks.

Another question.

Can the forms be filled in by hand or do they need to typed?

I know a few smaller dealers that do forms by hand. If you have great handwriting, it is not a problem. However I find it is a hell of a lot easier to do it on the computer. Plus, I can correct errors a lot easier with a computer. One error handwritten and it's shredded and do it all over again.

The first Form 4 I did - I had to redo FOUR TIMES because I had gotten it wrong on Acrobat.

copenhagen wrote:That's good they gave him his 200 bucks back...you'd think he'd try to get the can again since his charges got dropped.

Well the $200 is a tax on TRANSFER, not an application fee whether you get approved or not. The $200 goes back to the transferor - aka seller.

You can use written, but looks and reads better typed. One of my Suppessors was done by hand.
You can go on some website (NFA I think) and fill it in.

A friend just had one denied because he put "multi" and "barrel less than 16 inches" on his forms instead of picking a caliber and barrel length. He just has to resubmit.

GoingQuiet wrote:Well the $200 is a tax on TRANSFER, not an application fee whether you get approved or not. The $200 goes back to the transferor - aka seller.

When my form 4 was denied they sent me a check for $200, not the dealer/seller.

kwikrnu wrote:

GoingQuiet wrote:Well the $200 is a tax on TRANSFER, not an application fee whether you get approved or not. The $200 goes back to the transferor - aka seller.

When my form 4 was denied they sent me a check for $200, not the dealer/seller.

Care to share the reason they gave for not approving you?

Gavin S. wrote:

kwikrnu wrote:

GoingQuiet wrote:Well the $200 is a tax on TRANSFER, not an application fee whether you get approved or not. The $200 goes back to the transferor - aka seller.

When my form 4 was denied they sent me a check for $200, not the dealer/seller.

Care to share the reason they gave for not approving you?

Go get a drink and make a sammich. When you get back, buckle up and click this:

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Go get a drink and make a sammich. When you get back, buckle up and click this:

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Good lord. That's a 138 pg thread. I get the gist from the first few, though. I try not to F--k with the police, as that is a game that favors the house.

Greg Kulbick wrote:

Gavin S. wrote:Go get a drink and make a sammich. When you get back, buckle up and click this

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Good lord. That's a 138 pg thread. I get the gist from the first few, though. I try not to F--k with the police, as that is a game that favors the house.

Don't offend the cops because they might take out their revenge. Some people think we live in a free country, lol.

Well, I'm gonna try to not sound like a dick here. But not pissing people off is a good way to start out with meeting new people. I sorta want that to not sound hostile. Text makes this difficult.

I was just recently approved for my form4 (3-38-11) on a .223 suppressor, Only to get to my dealer to have it transfer the item into my trust via form 4473. I was delayed and then subsequently denied on the form 4473 (4-7-11). In Ks you have to do a 4473 check if the item goes through a trust, but does not require a 4473 if the form4 item was done with CLEO signoff to an individual. Either way, I have had two successful 4473's done within last 3 months and neither were denied, only delayed (common first/last name) and I also hold a state CCH permit. No one at the FBI/NICs can tell me why I was denied and they had a rather long discussion amungst themselves (hold for 25min), only to tell me that since the denial was already in the computer, I would have to go throught the appeal process. I am waiting on a call back from the ATF and hopefully someone there can fix this error for me instead of having to wait through this appeal process. I can only imagine the ATF examiner did a 4473 on me to approve my form4

kwikrnu wrote:

Greg Kulbick wrote:

Gavin S. wrote:Go get a drink and make a sammich. When you get back, buckle up and click this

viewtopic.php?f=81&t=54311

Good lord. That's a 138 pg thread. I get the gist from the first few, though. I try not to F--k with the police, as that is a game that favors the house.

Don't offend the cops because they might take out their revenge. Some people think we live in a free country, lol.

I totally understand your point of view. In a perfect world it should be as you say. Unfortunately, it is not and there are many people working as cops that should not be and That will F--k YOUR LIFE if you piss them off. I'm too damn old to fight the power but have at it if you have the energy.

I just had my first problem with a Form 4.

This is with a customer that has taken 10 hours of my time on this one transfer.

He decided not to do a trust and went to his CLEO to sign and there was a problem with the signature. So the forms were returned with a request for remediation.

GoingQuiet wrote:I just had my first problem with a Form 4.

This is with a customer that has taken 10 hours of my time on this one transfer.

He decided not to do a trust and went to his CLEO to sign and there was a problem with the signature. So the forms were returned with a request for remediation.

10 hours is a lot of time, you mind breaking that down?

kwikrnu wrote:

GoingQuiet wrote:I just had my first problem with a Form 4.

This is with a customer that has taken 10 hours of my time on this one transfer.

He decided not to do a trust and went to his CLEO to sign and there was a problem with the signature. So the forms were returned with a request for remediation.

10 hours is a lot of time, you mind breaking that down?

No sweat.

Customer calls me wanting to pick my brain on X vs Y vs Z. Ok, no problem. I don't stock Y or Z, if you order it all I'll charge you for is a transfer. I explain how it works.
I get asked will the CLEO sign. I don't know because he lives in another area. Time elapsed: 1 hour.
More brain picking regarding item. Which is best for the money. More brain picking regarding host firearm. Customer says he'd like to buy one tax stamp and then order his item. Time elapsed: 2 hours.
Customer decides on item, orders it and wants me to do the paperwork. Wants me to do form 4 immediately. I explain I can't do the form 4 since the item isn't here. Time elapsed: 2.5 hours.
Customer asks when we can do paperwork multiple times.
Customer asks what's a trust.
Customer asks how he can get a CLEO signature when I know nothing about the policies of his area since he lives an hour away.
Customer lives in city X and county Y. Asks me if he can get a signature from the chief of city W or sheriff of county Z.
Customer asks why haven't I gotten the serial number from the seller.
Customer asks when ATF will get off their butt and send him his item.
Customer asks when forms will be done. Cumulative Time elapsed: 5 hours.
Form 3 copy is sent to me so I can call ATF and check on status. I prep form 4 and explain to customer what to do with it. Customer asks me how CLEO signatures work where I live. Time elapsed: 6 hours.
Customer asks when he can sign the Form 4 and send to ATF. I explain entire purchase process again and that we are waiting for Form 3's to clear at ATF and he has to get a CLEO signature because he doesn't want to spend the money on a trust. Time elapsed: 7 hours.
Customer asks how to get CLEO signature and completes paperwork and wants to send it to ATF and wants me to look over it before Form 3 cleared. Error in paperwork. I send it back to him and explain what he did wrong and not to send it. Time elapsed: 8 hours.
Customer does paperwork correctly and everything looks straight. Form 3 clears. I tell customer to send it to ATF. Time elapsed: 9 hours.
Customer asks me what to send to ATF and for me to look over everything again and when his stamp will get here. Customer reads FAQ on internet about paperwork preperation and explains to me in detail how everything I did was wrong and how I should do it right next time. Time elapsed: 10 hours.

Note: I'm still waiting for the stamp.