kel-tec plr-16 gets handgun owner indicted, ill pos SBR

kwikrnu · **Posted:** Mon Apr 18, 2011 11:38 pm

Kel-Tec plr-16 illegal in Hendersonville, Tennessee

defendant: Antonio Sales

case #8572009

prosecutor:
William Lambeths
Sumner County 18th Judicial District
113 West Main Street, 3rd Floor
Gallatin, TN 37066
Phone: (615) 451-5810
Fax: (615) 451-5836

Sumner County Criminal Court Clerk
Mahailiah Hughes
101 Public Square
P.O. Box 549
Gallatin, TN 37066
Phone: (615) 451-3209
FAX: (615) 451-6027
Office Hours: Mon. - Fri., 8:00 a.m. - 4:30 p.m.

Valerie Jones (court reporter)
615-699-3261

Resolved April 7, 2011

Antonio Sales has a Tennessee handgun carry permit. He had a legally obtained Kel-tec PLR-16 pistol which was being transported legally. He was charged with a violation of TCA 39-17-1302, which is possession of an illegal handgun. These charges have been pending for two years based upon what in my opinion is an illegal charge. The DA made an offer that if Antonio sold the gun they would drop the charges. Antonio sold the gun and the charges were dropped.

I found the gunshop where the gun was for sale and went and bought it today. I'll post some of the court documents when they are available, I think the judge still has them to write the final order.

kwikrnu · **Posted:** Tue Apr 19, 2011 12:10 am

rogerdemin wrote:

So they claim that that handgun is a sbr?

If they make that claim and they told the defendant to SELL the firearm in question then they broke the law by facilitating a crime of transferring a illegal NFA weapon aren't they?

Of course that also means that the store that bought it form him and you who bought it form the store all have also broken the law as you knew the history and that the state had deemed the firearm a SBR?

Is it just me or is this severely convoluted?

I have two plr-16's now. Does that mean I can be charged with two counts of illegal possession?

Artful · **Posted:** Tue Apr 19, 2011 12:38 pm

MY EYES

wouldn't that be a AOW as it's disguised as a Kitty gun

rm55916@live.com · **Posted:** Tue Apr 19, 2011 1:33 pm

kwikrnu wrote:

rogerdemin wrote:

So they claim that that handgun is a sbr?

If they make that claim and they told the defendant to SELL the firearm in question then they broke the law by facilitating a crime of transferring a illegal NFA weapon aren't they?

Of course that also means that the store that bought it form him and you who bought it form the store all have also broken the law as you knew the history and that the state had deemed the firearm a SBR?

Is it just me or is this severely convoluted?

I have two plr-16's now. Does that mean I can be charged with two counts of illegal possession?

IDK, but I hope you paint the tip of the barrel orange, go for a walk in a park, then get charged, and indicted. Then maybe you will no longer be able to own firearms and make the poor descisions(which based on you previous post here)that you seem to consistently make), then you can't continue to make all of us responsible gun owners look crazy like you seem to be. That is if you bought this gun in order to get charges pressed, and try to sue someone like you seem to enjoy doing. Have a great day, and God Bless!!! :wink:

kwikrnu · **Posted:** Tue Apr 19, 2011 3:14 pm

rm55916@live.com wrote:

IDK...

Yes, you don't know:!:

Bowen1911 · **Posted:** Wed Apr 20, 2011 2:40 am

kwikrnu wrote:

That is gay beyond all recognition. I am ashamed you own a single firearm

driver6814 · **Posted:** Wed Apr 20, 2011 1:16 pm

Looks like a toy!! Toys are to play with. Not a good message to kids.

Gun ownership is a heavy responsibility. My girlfriend wanted a pink Keltec pistol. I told her it was cute, and that was a problem, especially with grandkids around. I have trained/instructed my grandkids. But I can't train their friends. Just not worth the risk for something cute. :shock:

Sorry, rant over

Sigproshooter · **Joined:** Sat Dec 29, 2007 12:29 pm **Posts:** 1776

I thought you treated all firearms are loaded /dangerous etc. Or at least teach newbies the theory.

Libertarian_Geek · **Posted:** Thu Apr 21, 2011 9:14 am

That's pretty screwed up:

1> That TN has a different definition of an SBR than the Feds
and/or
2> That the judge and cops didn't bother to understand the definition of an SBR prior to charging the guy.

saltydecimator · **Posted:** Thu Apr 21, 2011 8:26 pm

who says a kel tec couldnt get any uglier?!

stevejobs · **Posted:** Fri Apr 22, 2011 4:36 pm

Silly. They could make the same case against a Ruger Charger, or any other pistol with a "long" barrel.

silencertalk · **Posted:** Fri Apr 22, 2011 5:10 pm

rogerdemin wrote:

So they claim that that handgun is a sbr?

If they make that claim and they told the defendant to SELL the firearm in question then they broke the law by facilitating a crime of transferring a illegal NFA weapon aren't they?

No, they never claimed it was an NFA weapon. These were state, not federal charges.

kwikrnu · **Posted:** Fri Apr 22, 2011 5:11 pm

stevejobs wrote:

Silly. They could make the same case against a Ruger Charger, or any other pistol with a "long" barrel.

They could. Their mistake is in the definitions.

tca 39-17-1301(14) “Rifle” means any firearm designed, made or adapted to be fired from the shoulder and to use the energy of the explosive in a fixed metallic cartridge to fire a projectile through a rifled bore by a single function of the trigger;

tca 39-17-1301(15) “Short barrel” means a barrel length of less than sixteen inches (16") for a rifle and eighteen inches (18") for a shotgun, or an overall firearm length of less than twenty-six inches (26");

A handgun is not a rifle because a rifle is fired from the shoulder. Pistols are not fired from the shoulder. A plr-16 is not fired from the shoulder so it is not a rifle. If the state wanted to argue that the plr-16 is neither a rifle or a handgun then there may be some argument, but the indictment is specific in that it claims the plr-16 is a short barreled rifle. It is short barreled (as most handguns are), but it will never be a rifle unless a shoulder stock is added.

kwikrnu · **Posted:** Fri Apr 22, 2011 5:16 pm

silencertalk wrote:

rogerdemin wrote:

So they claim that that handgun is a sbr?

If they make that claim and they told the defendant to SELL the firearm in question then they broke the law by facilitating a crime of transferring a illegal NFA weapon aren't they?

No, they never claimed it was an NFA weapon. These were state, not federal charges.

That is correct. From what I understand the ATF was scheduled to testify that the plr-16 was not a SBR by their definition.

tca 39-17-1302 (a) A person commits an offense who intentionally or knowingly possesses, manufactures, transports, repairs or sells:
(4) A short-barrel rifle or shotgun;

There is no law prohibiting the possession of a short barreled pistol or handgun except the law which makes it illegal to
carry a firearm with the intent to go armed.

silencertalk · **Posted:** Fri Apr 22, 2011 5:28 pm

http://law.justia.com/codes/tennessee/2 ... 9-17-1301/

Quote:

(14) Rifle means any firearm designed, made or adapted to be fired from the shoulder and to use the energy of the explosive in a fixed metallic cartridge to fire a projectile through a rifled bore by a single function of the trigger;
(15) Short barrel means a barrel length of less than sixteen inches (16²) for a rifle and eighteen inches (18²) for a shotgun, or an overall firearm length of less than twenty-six inches (26²);

It is not a short barrel rifle under TN law.

And even more interesting, if you use a non-metallic cartridge, it is not even a rifle.

Make sure to do a wildcat so that metallic cartridges don't exist.

Hush · **Joined:** Wed May 18, 2005 8:07 pm **Posts:** 47320

Thanks for showing that pink kitty gun, its the best laugh I've had in a while. :lol:

kwikrnu · **Posted:** Mon May 09, 2011 4:29 pm

PTK · **Posted:** Tue May 10, 2011 2:17 am

...my respect for you just went up a tiny notch - you truly did take a gun out of the hands of a gang member and felon, and "off the streets". :lol:

kwikrnu · **Posted:** Tue May 10, 2011 8:28 am

PTK wrote:

...my respect for you just went up a tiny notch - you truly did take a gun out of the hands of a gang member and felon, and "off the streets". :lol:

I bought it to preserve it for him.

Dude has a Tennessee handgun carry permit.

mcinfantry · **Joined:** Mon Feb 16, 2009 2:56 am **Posts:** 950

kwikrnu wrote:

PTK wrote:

...my respect for you just went up a tiny notch - you truly did take a gun out of the hands of a gang member and felon, and "off the streets". :lol:

I bought it to preserve it for him.

Dude has a Tennessee handgun carry permit.

You realize you are plastering the name of an alleged gang member all over the net? Think he will abide by any laws, or fear the 'suit you threaten him with?

kwikrnu · **Posted:** Tue May 10, 2011 8:40 am

mcinfantry wrote:

kwikrnu wrote:

PTK wrote:

...my respect for you just went up a tiny notch - you truly did take a gun out of the hands of a gang member and felon, and "off the streets". :lol:

I bought it to preserve it for him.

Dude has a Tennessee handgun carry permit.

You realize you are plastering the name of an alleged gang member all over the net? Think he will abide by any laws, or fear the 'suit you threaten him with?

Why would I sue him? What laws did he break?

Speed-Racer · **Posted:** Tue May 10, 2011 9:19 am

Hush wrote:

Thanks for showing that pink kitty gun, its the best laugh I've had in a while. :lol:

I called my wife in too see.....She want's one

She said "Here kitty,kitty,kitty." Seriously, you may have a niche market their.

kwikrnu · **Posted:** Tue May 10, 2011 9:34 am

Speed-Racer wrote:

Hush wrote:

Thanks for showing that pink kitty gun, its the best laugh I've had in a while. :lol:

I called my wife in too see.....She want's one

She said "Here kitty,kitty,kitty." Seriously, you may have a niche market their.

Something tells me sanrio would not license the hello kitty image to use on guns. The image is a parody and I'm not involved in manufacturing or refinishing for profit.

wyoguy · **Posted:** Tue May 10, 2011 9:36 am

kwikrnu wrote:

I bought it to preserve it for him.

I HAD TO come back to this...

It is Freaking Hilarious...

Leonard hunted down and bought (Alleged)Gang-Banger Antonio Sales' Ugly Gun(that got Mr. Sales Indicted).........

(Drum Roll!)

TO PRESERVE IT FOR HIM!

Wow...I am 100% confident that just as soon as Mr. Sales is uh, free to travel...He will 'hunt down' Leonard and demonstrate his deep gratitude!

I really hope there are Videos on YouTube!

And then Leonard can change his Signature To...

"Antonio's Bitch!"

:lol:

WYOGUY

kwikrnu · **Posted:** Tue May 10, 2011 9:54 am

wyoguy wrote:

kwikrnu wrote:

I bought it to preserve it for him.

I HAD TO come back to this...

It is Freaking Hilarious...

Leonard hunted down and bought (Alleged)Gang-Banger Antonio Sales' Ugly Gun(that got Mr. Sales Indicted).........

(Drum Roll!)

TO PRESERVE IT FOR HIM!

Wow...I am 100% confident that just as soon as Mr. Sales is uh, free to travel...He will 'hunt down' Leonard and demonstrate his deep gratitude!

I really hope there are Videos on YouTube!

And then Leonard can change his Signature To...

"Antonio's Bitch!"

:lol:

WYOGUY

Why is Mr. Sales not "free to travel"?

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