Why not RLT instead of Revocable Living Trust?

It's not like the ATF doesn't know what it means and nobody else really cares!!!!

Mike

ready_on_the_right wrote:Why not RLT instead of Revocable Living Trust?

It's not like the ATF doesn't know what it means and nobody else really cares!!!!

Mike

RLT is my initials and or it could stand for something else other than Revocable Living Trust is why they want it spelled out.
Everything should be spelled out to avoid possible confusion on any legal document.

Write BATFE on your check and see if that legal document gets cashed...

copenhagen wrote:Write BATFE on your check and see if that legal document gets cashed...

On a legal document for them its ok, On a legal document for you it could get you trouble.
Remember they can twist the rules and we cant

It would be my assumption that if the BATFE is taking issue with your registered SBR/SBS/Suppressor/AOW/Etc. having the term RLT rather than Revocable Living Trust, that that is the least of your worries, and you have already caught their eye in some much more glorious and noteworthy fashion.

i don't know of any engraving vendors that charge by the word, so if it's the same cost to spell out the trust, why not?

There are engraving guys that charge by the letter.

Wahnsinn wrote:There are engraving guys that charge by the letter.

np, i stand corrected. I'd only heard of orion and a few others that all seemed to charge a flat fee.

I'm not having any troubles just making a statement!

Some things just irritate me

Mike

I have 4 SBR's everyone is engraved RLT.....Just sayin....

Is your trust "official" name RLT or did you spell out Revocable Living Trust?

I think they want it the same on both, even though it makes sooooo much since to abrreviate on the actual engraving.

Mike

FWIW, ATF told me that RLT is a commonly accepted and understood abbreviation for Revocable Living Trust, with that said they also told me that if RLT did NOT stand for Revocable Living Trust it had to be spelled out.

I don't charge by the letter though, who really does that?

I saw a couple gun places that charged that way when I was looking to get my Draco AK engraved. Also a couple places that don't specifically do guns (jewelry, trophy).

The guy I had do it (also does my transfers, threading, etc) said the reason he charges what he does, is because the finish on the guns eats up the bits it's so tough. He runs it on a cnc mill as well, maybe some guys that do it by hand would have an issue doing a ton of letters for a single price.

Wahnsinn wrote:I saw a couple gun places that charged that way when I was looking to get my Draco AK engraved. Also a couple places that don't specifically do guns (jewelry, trophy).

The guy I had do it (also does my transfers, threading, etc) said the reason he charges what he does, is because the finish on the guns eats up the bits it's so tough. He runs it on a cnc mill as well, maybe some guys that do it by hand would have an issue doing a ton of letters for a single price.

Your guy must not be using sharp engraving bits or is using bad settings if his are getting chewed up, I can engrave titanium all day long and thats far tougher than steel or anodized aluminum and my inserts last quite awhile!

I do mine on a CNC engraver designed specifically for engraving though so maybe thats the difference?

Could be, but it was still only $40 So I couldn't complain, fair price plus he's local. I thought about using a Dremel, but after doing some testing, my engraving skills are crap

Wahnsinn wrote:Could be, but it was still only $40 So I couldn't complain, fair price plus he's local. I thought about using a Dremel, but after doing some testing, my engraving skills are crap

Dremel is too hard to control. We used an etcher at work to engrave tools. It turned out decent but we switched to a laser engraver now because it looks better.

That's what I came across, the Dremel wanted to go every which way, so my testing came out looking kinda like the first time I learned to write letters in crayon.

Bendersquint wrote:FWIW, ATF told me that RLT is a commonly accepted and understood abbreviation for Revocable Living Trust, with that said they also told me that if RLT did NOT stand for Revocable Living Trust it had to be spelled out.

I don't charge by the letter though, who really does that?

Is "ATF told me" the same as "ATF said"? How do you explain this?

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TEXMEX wrote:

Bendersquint wrote:FWIW, ATF told me that RLT is a commonly accepted and understood abbreviation for Revocable Living Trust, with that said they also told me that if RLT did NOT stand for Revocable Living Trust it had to be spelled out.

I don't charge by the letter though, who really does that?

Is "ATF told me" the same as "ATF said"? How do you explain this?

http://www.hunt101.com/data/500/trusten ... notice.jpg

RLT is an accepted abbreviation for Revocable Living Trust, that is guidance per NFA branch, per my examiner and per Industry Operations.

Without seeing what was written on that application and denied that letter means nothing. It could have been BJRLT instead of Bobby Joe's RLT. Who knows.

Bendersquint wrote:

Wahnsinn wrote:I saw a couple gun places that charged that way when I was looking to get my Draco AK engraved. Also a couple places that don't specifically do guns (jewelry, trophy).

The guy I had do it (also does my transfers, threading, etc) said the reason he charges what he does, is because the finish on the guns eats up the bits it's so tough. He runs it on a cnc mill as well, maybe some guys that do it by hand would have an issue doing a ton of letters for a single price.

Your guy must not be using sharp engraving bits or is using bad settings if his are getting chewed up, I can engrave titanium all day long and thats far tougher than steel or anodized aluminum and my inserts last quite awhile!

I do mine on a CNC engraver designed specifically for engraving though so maybe thats the difference?

Im in the process of waiting on my tax stamp also , engraving is my question for you since you do this . can it be done on flat on the bottom of the trigger area , basically if you were holding the gun it would be facing down towards the trigger guard , I really dont want it out in plain sight but I know it needs to be on there , it never really states what sizing it needs to be just a certain depth , Looking to have it laser etched locally in this area and want it to look decent , name on one side , city and state on the other .
Thanks
PH

purehavoc wrote: Im in the process of waiting on my tax stamp also , engraving is my question for you since you do this . can it be done on flat on the bottom of the trigger area , basically if you were holding the gun it would be facing down towards the trigger guard , I really dont want it out in plain sight but I know it needs to be on there , it never really states what sizing it needs to be just a certain depth , Looking to have it laser etched locally in this area and want it to look decent , name on one side , city and state on the other .
Thanks
PH

Reread the regs, it DOES states size of the lettering and required depth.

Bendersquint wrote:

purehavoc wrote: Im in the process of waiting on my tax stamp also , engraving is my question for you since you do this . can it be done on flat on the bottom of the trigger area , basically if you were holding the gun it would be facing down towards the trigger guard , I really dont want it out in plain sight but I know it needs to be on there , it never really states what sizing it needs to be just a certain depth , Looking to have it laser etched locally in this area and want it to look decent , name on one side , city and state on the other .
Thanks
PH

Reread the regs, it DOES states size of the lettering and required depth.

There is a height requirement for the serial number only, no smaller than 1/16". There is no height requirement for other information.

TITLE 27 CFR CHAPTER II PART 479. Specifically 479.102 covers this.

This does appear to be the case. For all the other info, only a depth requirement is stated.

For firearms manufactured, imported, or made on and after January 30, 2002, the engraving, casting, or stamping (impressing) of the serial number must be to a minimum depth of .003 inch and in a print size no smaller than 1/16 inch; and

For firearms manufactured, imported, or made on and after January 30, 2002, the engraving, casting, or stamping (impressing) of this information must be to a minimum depth of .003 inch.

"This information" is in regards to the other info (name, city, etc).

Interesting. Not that I really need it to be smaller than 1/16" in height That's pretty small as it is.

The attorney that put my NFA trust together said it didn't matter what the trust was called as long as the name of the trust on the trust paperwork matched what was engraved on the gun which matched what was entered on Form #1. The name of my trust is "102 NFA TRUST" which is what is engraved on the gun and what appears on Form 1. "Revocable Living" Trust, as outlined in my trust document, describes the type of trust but is not part of the trust name.

If I had titled my trust, "102 NFA REVOCABLE LIVING TRUST" then this is what I would have had to engrave. Hence, shorter is better.

tepin wrote:The attorney that put my NFA trust together said it didn't matter what the trust was called as long as the name of the trust on the trust paperwork matched what was engraved on the gun which matched what was entered on Form #1. The name of my trust is "102 NFA TRUST" which is what is engraved on the gun and what appears on Form 1. "Revocable Living" Trust, as outlined in my trust document, describes the type of trust but is not part of the trust name.

If I had titled my trust, "102 NFA REVOCABLE LIVING TRUST" then this is what I would have had to engrave. Hence, shorter is better.

I did the same. Had the trust named "1234 Revocable Living Trust" aka "1234 Trust"

Now if I just didn't live in "Charlottesville, VA" I could really hide that info in plain sight