Stupidity doesn't pay

[T-Rex]

http://news.hamlethub.com/bethel/public ... f-firearms
http://fox61.com/2016/06/21/new-fairfie ... al-ar-15s/

[atilliar]

F--k Connecticut. As far as I'm concerned this guy wasn't doing anything wrong.

[a_canadian]

Wasn't doing anything wrong? Sure he was. He was being an idiot, handing out business cards to advertise his disobedience. He got himself caught by flashing his gun in a school yard. First he got himself noticed, advertising himself, then he gave them an excuse to take him down. Being dumb will get your stuff taken away. Dumb and greedy isn't the best way to have a long and happy career in back yard firearms manufacturing.

[atilliar]

Read the article again. He did not flash his gun in a schoolyard. He was stopped leaving the area because they had a search warrant for his premises. You are right however about his business cards. That being said if he was in another state that wouldn't have been a problem and I don't find what he did morally wrong. His only real crime was that he lived in Connecticut.

[a_canadian]

Yeah, but you can't fault a guy for living where he lives, right? And sorry, I failed to notice the bit about the search. Yikes.

[T-Rex]

Making and selling firearms w/o a license is illegal, no matter what state you live in. Oh, and they had no serials.
And several unregistered silencers too

Unsecured firearms, especially around children, there's just no excuse for that.

[whiterussian1974]

http://news.hamlethub.com/bethel/public ... s[quote]On March 24, 2016 Giannone was in possession of a firearm while he was on school property. Upon leaving the school grounds Giannone was stopped, with the assistance of the New Fairfield Resident Trooper Office, and taken into custody. [/quote]

On June 21, 2016, upon the conclusion of the investigation, Giannone was arrested via arrest warrant granted by the superior court. Giannone turned himself in to Troop A-Southbury where he was fingerprinted, photographed and held on bond pending court.

No where in the story does it state that his PERSON was named in the Search Warrant.

Yet they arrested him w no PC. Then only LATER did they issue an Arrest Warrant, which he promptly complied with.

If he had an Unlawful Weapon upon his person after taking his child to school, why wasn't he booked at the time of THAT arrest?
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I only read the 1st link. If the other had additional contradictions, that only makes the Issues less clear.
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None the less, he was very stupid and it's hardly surprising that he got caught.

[atilliar]

The news articles were less than clear about how he was making those ARs and I didn't read anything about no serial numbers. Maybe I missed that. And while he was charged with 3 counts of possession of silencers or something along those lines that doesn't actually mean that he didn't have a tax stamp for them only that he wasn't allowed to have them in that state. Maybe I missed something in the article about that but they didn't seem to mention any details about the silencers only the charges. These kinds of articles tend to be very misleading and with out real details I wouldn't be quick to condemn. His intelligence aside, and I certainly can't speak for his motives (which were not stated btw), nothing actualy stated in the article was immoral and would probably be legal in another state. As for you saying that manufacturing a gun without a license is illegal you are simply wrong. You most certainly can manufacture your own gun without a license. Have you never heard of a 80% lower? You don't need a license to finish an 80% lower and make your own AR without any paperwork. You can also then sell that gun as a private sale without any license as well... at least in any normal state.

[whiterussian1974]

Maybe I missed something in the article about that but they didn't seem to mention any details about the silencers only the charges.

You don't need a license to finish an 80% lower and make your own AR without any paperwork. You can also then sell that gun as a private sale without any license as well... at least in any normal state.

They gave NO details about the "silencers." Are these potatoes? Recently purchased, still full and sealed soda bottles?

I've been arrested in a dirtclod town for possessing my Service Pistol with "Federally-banned high-capacity LE magazines." In fact there was NO Fed ban on hi-cap at that time and I WAS LE. The case was summarily dismissed by the DA at the 1st Pretrial Hearing. The Judge and DA even ridiculed the small town Police force for making faulty arrests based upon Emotion rather than Law.

The Police Chief was many months later escorted from his office by TX Rangers for RICO violations including 'Systematized Serial Rape of young women.' Including mothers with their children present in the car when they were forced to have sex with the LEO or face charges for planted drugs, resisting arrest, Child Endangerment, etc.

Cell phone footage was very clear and compelling. Yet, they didn't charge the Chief of Police and allowed the cops to simply quit. The Chief then became the County's Chief Deputy and the cops (mainly volunteers) just volunteered or got jobs w neighboring counties. The 'Old Boy' network ensuring that they kept their PO License and could be slightly more discreet when raping young girls in the future.
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atillar: Please use the return key to create paragraphs. You've got great points, but they're hard to read all smashed together.

I noticed how many LAWFUL firearms they seized. That says alot about how the Agency wanted to drive the Narrative about the 'great volume' of 'suspect' weapons seized. It looks great as a Headline. I wonder if the 'lowers which could be made into fully functioning rifles' were in fact 80%. That would answer a great many ?s.

I wonder if he was investigated for competing for business against a local cop who was an FFL or reseller in that area. Contempt of Cop is often a Fatal crime. Good thing that so many children were present for the initial arrest. It might have saved his life.

And was the 'pistol' in a locked container in his Personal Vehicle when he was arrested? Then they conducted an Inventory Search. Then possessing the firearm on School Grounds might also have been fully Lawful. Just another Charge to "bury him in Paper" as the technique is known.

[a_canadian]

Something about this case and so many others reported in popular media which bothers me more and more; what happened to innocent until proven guilty? His name is all over the web now, just because charges have been brought. No jury could be unbiased in such a context, or even any judge, as they're hardly likely to have missed the initial sensationalist story. The police agencies involved have deliberately tailored the kind and extent of the information they've released to the press. This sort of information, presented so as to leave a lot of room for interpretation, makes the reporters go wild with conjecture regarding the possible intentions of the felon... er... citizen who is presumed innocent until proven guilty, I mean...

Of course this sort of trial in the papers has dominated the landscape for certain types of crimes in North America and many other places for a long time. I rather appreciate the odd time when I see a UK story where someone's been charged but specifics are almost or entirely absent pending prosecution. They're tending more and more towards our style of course. It benefits police budgets, especially important in an age when practically all crimes are steadily falling. Er. What I mean is civilian crimes. Those numbers are going down. But of course government crimes and police agency crimes are a different matter. In places like LA and Chicago it seems we've only scratched the surface.

[T-Rex]

I understand everyone's willingness to give a benefit of doubt, but I just don't see it.

Manufacturing firearms w/o a license is illegal, period. While there is no formal definition of a the term "Manufacturing", the ATF has interpreted it to mean "any work performed on a firearm during the process of preparing the firearm for subsequent sale". This gentlemen was doing exactly that and was witnessed selling an illegal firearm, which he manufactured.

From the article, "and five AR-15 assault weapons with no serial numbers". You are required, by the ATF, to serialize all firearms, even an 80%. "Receivers that meet the definition of a “firearm” must have markings, including a serial number. See 27 CFR § 478.92 (Firearm manufacturers marking requirements)."

Suppressors are legal in CT so this statement, "including one rifle with an illegal silencer", is pretty clear what his intentions were. It looks to be the 10/22, with suppressor, to which they are referring.

While federal law may allow you to have a firearm on school property, provided that is unloaded and in a locked container or a locked firearms rack on a motor vehicle, CT laws supersedes:

CONNECTICUT GUN-FREE SCHOOL ZONE LAW

With some exceptions, it is illegal under state law to possess firearms on any elementary or secondary school property or at any school-sponsored event knowing that one is not licensed or privileged to possess such firearms. A violation is a class D felony.
The law does not apply to otherwise lawful possession by peace officers carrying out their official duties or anyone:
1. using a firearm in a school-approved school program or school-sponsored activity;
2. who, or whose employer, has an agreement with the school allowing the firearm; or
3. crossing school property with an unloaded firearm to hunt, or for other lawful purposes, provided entry on the school property is permitted by the local or regional board of education (CGS § 53a-217b).(I've not heard of anyone, in state, being granted this allowance)

If you look at his website, he was in the business of selling 80% lowers and jigs. He should have kept it there and applied for a license to move further.

Yes, we all agree the current laws are BS and we, as free men, should be allowed to go about our business, unimpeded, provided we cause no harm or intent towards another. My point is, he should have stayed a bit further under the radar.

[whiterussian1974]

I understand everyone's willingness to give a benefit of doubt, but I just don't see it.

Manufacturing firearms w/o a license is illegal, period. While there is no formal definition of a the term "Manufacturing", the ATF has interpreted it to mean "any work performed on a firearm during the process of preparing the firearm for subsequent sale". This gentlemen was doing exactly that and was witnessed selling an illegal firearm, which he manufactured. No Finder of Fact has confirmed this. These are only allegations, made by those motivated to make allegations and paid/rated upon making allegations.

From the article, "and five AR-15 assault weapons with no serial numbers". You are required, by the ATF, to serialize all firearms, even an 80%. "Receivers that meet the definition of a “firearm” must have markings, including a serial number. See 27 CFR § 478.92 (Firearm manufacturers marking requirements)." How did he obtain these "ghost guns." The serials weren't removed, they were never present? Even removed #s can be acid raised. Which CT 7/02 is making "ghost gun" 80% lowers?

Suppressors are legal in CT so this statement, "including one rifle with an illegal silencer", is pretty clear what his intentions were. It looks to be the 10/22, with suppressor, to which they are referring. I haven't seen or examined this muzzle device. Is it a Solvent Trap? A baffleless tube for directing blast away from Shooter's ears? Was this a fully documented Form 4 w NFA Stamp? Remember, they are motivated to make him look guilty.

Why doesn't the story mention all of the crimes that the Arresting Officers/Agencies/Judges have been accused of? Domestic Battery, Kidnapping, Sexual Assault. I'm confident that these and many other allegations could be made by former Contacts. Substantiating the Claims is another matter entirely. They are probably all baseless claims. Yet, the Suspect was Pilloried.

NO Presumption of Innocence. No attempt to report Facts instead of Opinion. Baseless 1-sided accusations which serve the Official Line. Little attempt at even-handed reporting.
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3. crossing school property with an unloaded firearm to hunt, or for other lawful purposes, provided entry on the school property is permitted by the local or regional board of education (CGS § 53a-217b).(I've not heard of anyone, in state, being granted this allowance)
I'm not arguing how local Officials interpret this Law. To MY reading, this would include someone dropping off their kid en route to hunt or target shoot. So his possession in a locked container could be justified, and we don't yet have these facts. Nor the circumstances of the Search and Seizure of his Person.

If you look at his website, he was in the business of selling 80% lowers and jigs. He should have kept it there and applied for a license to move further. For all we know, he DID stay at 80%. My own experience shows how LEAs often don't follow the Law and make unfounded allegations.

Yes, we all agree the current laws are BS and we, as free men, should be allowed to go about our business, unimpeded, provided we cause no harm or intent towards another. My point is, he should have stayed a bit further under the radar.

Again, perhaps he was professional competition to a FFL or reseller in his area. This would explain a lot!

[poikilotrm]

So T-Rex, Marbury v. Madison says that any law which is repugnant to the Constitution is null and void. Should we follow a law which is invalid? Should we feel morally compelled to do so?