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just because...we haven't seen Algore in a while. :wink:

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Former Vice President Al Gore said he tried and failed to bring President Donald Trump around on the topic of manmade global warming, claiming that “climate deniers” have “captured” the president’s mind.
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I can remember when his first film came out in 2006, someone published his electricity usage over one year along with pictures of the Gore mansion in Nashville with air conditioning units in EVERY window. Fucking hypocrite!
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I dont know a lot about Gore, but from my readings over the years it seems he's more interested in self-promotion than anything else. Much like Michael Moore. But anyone denying that climate is radically changing due to the billions of tons of crap we spew into the air and water simply has their head shoved firmly up their fat, SUV-driving, steak-chewing, soda-swilling, lazy, pimply ass.
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global warming is a canadian problem.

Earths' climate has never remained the same two years in a row since creation. Anyone who thinks otherwise has their head shoved firmly up their fat, SUV driving, steak chewing, soda swilling, lazy, pimply ass.

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https://xkcd.com/1732/

the fact that the climate is changing VERY rapidly compared to any other 100 year period in the past few millennia isnt debatable.

what is debatable is:
  • how big of a problem is this?
  • is solving this problem possible? practical?
  • how much should i care?

what is the image of the tree proving? trees are old?
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What I find quite hilarious is that now they're saying:
1. The higher temp is causing the o-zone hole, over Australia, to shrink.
2. The melting ice, in Antarctica, is actually being caused by an underground river (perfectly natural), but the increased river temp is possibly due to lava flows (again, natural).
3. The rainforest's are fucking us. They're dying at an increased rate, rotting/decaying, and creating more methane, which is raising temps and further increasing the rate of tree death and decay.

Funny, the more they study and learn, the more they prove we're not the main source of the problem.
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They never say the word anthromoporphic. The actual name is anthromoporphic climate change, as in human driven climate change.

There was a time when there were temperate forests at the poles, and a time when glaciers covered a lot of the Earth’s surface. This was not due to the dinosaurs druving their BMWs too much, nor due to mastadons not driving their cars enough.

There are three main drivers of our climate. In order of importance they are:
1. The sun.
2. Volcanos.
3. Bolides.

The sun has a definite, predictable 11.3 year cycle of cooling and warming, and there is a metacycle of cooling and warming of that cycle.

Any person claiming we drive the climate is not well informd. We do not yet have enough data to actually make the claim that climate change is man’s fault.
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... shades of Nero's fiddling. Won't be many of us left to commiserate with our 20/20 hindsight in a couple of centuries. But hey, in the long run some species may even thank us for leaving them the significantly modified planet with few humans around to F--k it up even more. Some species will no doubt thrive. Hope my kids live long enough to at least have a bittersweet laugh about the outcomes of human selfishness.
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fishman wrote:...
what is debatable is:
  • how big of a problem is this?
  • is solving this problem possible? practical?
  • how much should i care?
  • is it really actually VERY stable compared to what has come before and what shall come to pass?
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Humans may survive climate change but any real impact on it will be localized.
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fishman wrote:
what is the image of the tree proving? trees are old?
Nothing specific with that picture, other than to point out growth rings.

Growth rings vary from year to year depending on climate, temp, drought, adequate rainfall, more ideal, and less ideal conditions.

*And remember, trees convert carbon dioxide to oxygen, so the more carbon dioxide (green house gas :lol: ) that is present in the atmosphere, the happier trees are going to be.

Oh, another thing, here is a short list of "greenhouse gasses".

Wanna guess which ones occur naturally on earth?

greenhouse gases in Earth's atmosphere are water vapor, carbon dioxide, methane, nitrous oxide, and ozone
. https://www.google.com/search?q=carbon+ ... e&ie=UTF-8

By studying and looking at growth rings on very old trees, especially ones that are several hundred years old that span back prior to "the industrial age" that climate changers claim that we're going to hell in a hand basket, you may notice periods that are very similar to what we have been experiencing now.

But since no meteorologist records exist in their computer database from the 1400's, the 1200's, earlier, you must look at other naturally occuring signs.

Earth has had numerous ice ages, and warm spells over the centuries.

Heck, the 5 great lakes were formed by melted glacial ice from the last ice age thaw that they estimate occured 14,000 years ago.

That glacial thaw was well before the industrial age and coal fired power plants, and it was a WHOPPER compared to what's happening present day.

Yep. Man is killing the earth. Governments have got to act and tax carbon credits.

*Also worth noting, carbon is the 6th most common occuring element in the known universe. Gotta make sure to tax that s--t.

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a_canadian wrote:... shades of Nero's fiddling. Won't be many of us left to commiserate with our 20/20 hindsight in a couple of centuries. But hey, in the long run some species may even thank us for leaving them the significantly modified planet with few humans around to F--k it up even more. Some species will no doubt thrive. Hope my kids live long enough to at least have a bittersweet laugh about the outcomes of human selfishness.
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Pretty simply Solution. Plant trees and have a Garden!

Look at how the Localized and Regional pollution in China causes MASSIVE vegetative organic growth downwind for 50-85 miles! Then it tapers off.

That's the REAL fact. As Poki said: Solar Cycles, reflectivity of our atmosphere and Volcanic Action are the major drivers of Climate.

Yes, the WEATHER changes each year. And we are STILL coming out of the Little Ice Age. Until the Temps exceed the Paleozoic Era, we can't claim that the TINY BIOMASS that is Humanity, can control the AWESOME Power of Nature!
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paleozoic#Climate wrote:The earliest two periods, the Ordovician and Silurian, were warm greenhouse periods, with the highest sea levels of the Paleozoic (200 m above today's)
The Mississippian (early Carboniferous Period) began with a spike in atmospheric oxygen, while carbon dioxide plummeted to new lows. This destabilized the climate and led to one, and perhaps two, ice ages during the Carboniferous.
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Apart from bacteria, the total global biomass has been estimated at about 560 billion tonnes C.
And the remainder is Bacteria at 350,000-550,000 million Tonnes. That means that Humans are 1/5500 of Earth's Organic Biomass. (I know that Organic and Bio are redundancies. Obviously Bio is Carbon based and thus Organic Chemistry... :P )
(ETC: I was 3 decimals off. 1/5,500,000. Sorry. :oops: )
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Yep! Al Gore is/was a hypocrite ..

And yes! Climate (Not the weather!!! Mr. Trump :roll: ) IS always changing, in slow cycles that does not directly have any real bearing on the human population short term wise..

What we are seeing now IS the result of the earths climate systems being influenced by human activity.. Its really very simple, even Redneck simple. :lol: NO naturally occuring phenomena can explain the current increase in Co2 in the atmosphere.. only the human use of fossil fuels provides a scientific explanation .. Yes .. the suns cycle has an influence, but it is orders of magnitude weaker than what is being measured, the same goes for cloud particulates and current volcanism.. Oh! yes, there HAVE been much larger changes in Earths climate in "geological time"- The last "interglacial" time (Eem Interglacial) had a warmer climate than we have now, even warmer than the "global warming pessimists" predict for our immediate future...(2050)

And before any of you lot start anything up.. I have a PhD in Geology, majoring in Glaciology and Computer modelling of glacier movement! 8)
The mention of the "underground river melting ice" is BS, there are MANY such rivers, at least 10 in Iceland alone.. The contribution they have to "melting the icecaps" is puny compared to just one glacier calving from the Greenland Icecap (Just google "Jakobshavn glacier" Some 35 billion tonnes of icebergs calve off and pass out of the fjord every year!!)

SO YES! There IS "global warming" .. Caused by human activity ... If you disagree .. just get on with collecting the scientific EVIDENCE that this is not the case.. I dare you .. :lol: :lol:

The QUESTION is ... Does it really matter? -- and What to DO about it ... That's where I personally completely disagree with the "Scientific "leftist/green/treehugger" side .. The Train has LONG since left the station.. its a runaway train--- We will NOT be able to stop or reverse the global warming .. what we need to do is start getting our collective heads out of our butts, ant start thinkin how to DEAL with it .. Denial gets you nowhere .. The real major problem is how to deal with a world with diminishing resources, and a population that has not yet peaked (and is still in something close to exponential growth, even though it IS slowing down slightly)
Terrorism, drugs and obesity are very MINOR problems compared to handling the mix of the three above! What we are primarily struggling with here in the Rich part of the world are complacency, indifference, self-importance and ignorance. but, most of all: a lack of idealism.. pragmatism has taken over, because it is the prime tool of un-restrained, unregulated capitalism.. And currently the President of the largest economy in the world is a man strongly in favor of un-restrained, uncontrolled, unregulated capitalism.. He seems to pretend to be "the guy" to help the US lower middle classes and the "Heartland", but if it does not get his croonies in JPMorgan or Goldman-Sachs a profit, how much do you think he will actually make a difference?

What we NEED to do, is to get ready to leave this rock! .. Get our asses to Mars, the Moon, the Asteroid belt, the moons of Jupiter! Go explore! Get the pioneering idealism back! All the Treehugger geeks can stay back here, and eventually "Save the planet" :mrgreen: It will be much easier with the rest of us gone off to dig for Ruthenium on Titan --

Out there we will NEED the "sentient Rednecks" -- people willing to take a risk. willing to work hard, to earn a good living --
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Lots of points where I concur, a couple where it seems in can't. Most obviously that last; considering that the most aspirational, idealistic scientific minds tend to lean leftward, politically, and that conversely the rightward leaning sentient types gravitate towards profiting from unfettered capitalist expansionism (getting while the getting is good), it seems unlikely that colonization of other planets is going to come from rednecks. Might work in the odd SciFi movie but really unlikely in today's climate. Trump is only pushing NASA to the moon because he thinks it'll make him a place in history parallel to Kennedy's, and it won't, because he won't even properly fund NASA for basic research let alone lunar colony building.
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a_canadian: You step on your own argument. It's the Adventure-seeking downtrodden who historically seek a new life on the Frontier.

The well-heeled and educated Elites have it too good to change their lifestyles. So they provide tech support from the Home World, whilst the Adrenaline junky, profiteering, Colonial Expansionists wrangle metal-laden Asteroids. The Oppressed seek Freedom and a new life as Settlers. Etc.
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