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FBI stats on causes of homicides--highlighting knives versus rifles

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One wonders what actually "hides" within "Firearms- Type Not stated" I would hazard a guess of the same distribution patterns as Handguns vs Rifles vs Shotguns.

What is actually covered here .. Murders with an actual court ruling of "Murder" ..??

Rifles have never been much used in actual murders, except maybe in school/campus mass shootings and other "rampage" situations.

Rifles are not a significant "gun-crime" problem, but the semiauto "Black rifle" versions get a disproportionate amount of very negative publicity. So much so, that they are on the verge of being totally banned in my country.

The "Black rifles" are an "easy target" for the Anti-gun crowd, most ordinary non hunting or non-gun enthusiasts simpy can not understand the wish to own or use what they percieve as a military weapon.

But lets be honest here .. Most of us own these semi-autos because of the Military/Special forces/LE "allure" We simply like the "bad-ass look" of these guns -- The anti-gun crowd hates it, and infer all kinds of diabolical stuff from the fact that some gun-owners like it.
In their eyes we are all "wannabee Special forces morons" An interest in "Silencers" just reinforces that prejudice..
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Excellent graph. I can't stand graphs where vague undefined terms such as "mass shooting" or "active shooter" are used. Not defining your terms is a huge red flag for cherry picked data.
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The graph above is mislabeled--the word murders is wrong. I'm pretty sure that the FBI doesn't break out from the stats those who are killed by people in legitimate self-defense situations (my wag is 500-1500) and also those killed by police on duty (~1000). If so, then a good sized chunk of the rifle and shotgun homicides may be legitimate self-defense killings. People killed in legitimate self-defense shouldn't be called victims since they were the perps.

The graphic should be labeled "Number Killed in the United States in 2016".



Note: I'll try and modify the graphic to reflect killings rather than murder victims.
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Is homicide not a legally identical term to murder?
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Is homicide not a legally identical term to murder?
You're right, my mistake in thinking homicides meant killed for any reason. Killed is a better term.
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Homicide is the act of one human killing another. A homicide requires only a volitional act by another person that results in death, and thus a homicide may result from accidental, reckless or negligent acts even if there is no intent to cause harm. Homicides can be divided into many overlapping legal categories, including ...
Define murder: the crime of unlawfully killing a person especially with malice aforethought
(https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/murder)

So by definition "Homicide" is a broader term, describing only the act of one person killing another human being .. It is NOT "murder" to kill an animal, legally speaking in most societies killing even a domestic pet animal is "Willfull destruction of property" -- regardless of how PETA nutcases choose to describe it .. :mrgreen:
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