FFL Refuses to Sell Guns to Residents of His Own State?

jreinke · Post by **jreinke** » Thu Feb 27, 2014 2:13 pm

Normally I would have posted this in the "Nut Case Bitch and Wine" section, but seeing as how Robert has seen fit to delete that forum, I'll post it here. So there's this ******* ******* (the asterisks represent any foul word of your own choosing) that's selling guns on the internet, but refuses to sell them to anyone in his own state, because he doesn't want to get a sales tax number (I asked). WTF! Doesn't this violate the premise of having a FFL? I mean it's a license to conduct business in your community. In fact I'm fairly certain that when you apply for an FFL you are required to have all the necessary state and local permits, etc and one of those items would be a sales tax number. I would appreciate comments from other FFL's. Normally I wouldn't give two ***** about this guy but he usually has the lowest prices on just about every gun I look for at any given time on the internet.

Bendersquint · Post by **Bendersquint** » Thu Feb 27, 2014 2:33 pm

jreinke wrote:Normally I would have posted this in the "Nut Case Bitch and Wine" section, but seeing as how Robert has seen fit to delete that forum, I'll post it here. So there's this ******* ******* (the asterisks represent any foul word of your own choosing) that's selling guns on the internet, but refuses to sell them to anyone in his own state, because he doesn't want to get a sales tax number (I asked). WTF! Doesn't this violate the premise of having a FFL? I mean it's a license to conduct business in your community. In fact I'm fairly certain that when you apply for an FFL you are required to have all the necessary state and local permits, etc and one of those items would be a sales tax number. I would appreciate comments from other FFL's. Normally I wouldn't give two ***** about this guy but he usually has the lowest prices on just about every gun I look for at any given time on the internet.

The purpose of the FFL is to conduct business in firearms. There is no requirement to conduct business in your community only to conduct business.

Yes, you are required to have all the permits necessary state and local that apply to the business you are starting. If he is not doing local sales and collecting local taxes then he doesn't need a local tax license(disclaimer - some states may require it even with no tax collection).

Unfortunately his business model does not fit your needs/desires, but he is perfectly legit(pending above disclaimer of course).

jreinke · Post by **jreinke** » Thu Feb 27, 2014 4:15 pm

Your response mirrors that of a business owner friend of mine in a conversation not 20 minutes ago. It still sucks.

Bendersquint · Post by **Bendersquint** » Thu Feb 27, 2014 4:35 pm

jreinke wrote: It still sucks.

Agreed.

renegade · Post by **renegade** » Thu Feb 27, 2014 5:52 pm

Mail order sales are much easier than OTC. I prefer them too, but I do not refuse to sell locally.

WhisperFan · Post by **WhisperFan** » Thu Feb 27, 2014 5:57 pm

If many people and small businesses have their way, all internet sales will be taxes too!

Then he will sell in his own state (maybe)

Bendersquint · Post by **Bendersquint** » Thu Feb 27, 2014 5:58 pm

WhisperFan wrote:If many people and small businesses have their way, all internet sales will be taxes too!

Then he will sell in his own state (maybe)

Small businesses are fighting for more taxes?

WhisperFan · Post by **WhisperFan** » Thu Feb 27, 2014 6:07 pm

Bendersquint wrote:
WhisperFan wrote:If many people and small businesses have their way, all internet sales will be taxes too!

Then he will sell in his own state (maybe)
Small businesses are fighting for more taxes?

Yeah - ain't it a shame? I guess they figure that since places like Amazon can sell products at a lower price (and make up for it in volume) and they don't charge taxes (just S&H) ... if the Federal or State Gov't would force them to collect sales tax, consumers will choose to buy local and pay a higher price but save S&H ... or at least that is the theory.

Ryo · Post by **Ryo** » Wed Mar 12, 2014 1:24 am

jreinke wrote:Normally I would have posted this in the "Nut Case Bitch and Wine" section, but seeing as how Robert has seen fit to delete that forum, I'll post it here. So there's this ******* ******* (the asterisks represent any foul word of your own choosing) that's selling guns on the internet, but refuses to sell them to anyone in his own state, because he doesn't want to get a sales tax number (I asked). WTF! Doesn't this violate the premise of having a FFL? I mean it's a license to conduct business in your community. In fact I'm fairly certain that when you apply for an FFL you are required to have all the necessary state and local permits, etc and one of those items would be a sales tax number. I would appreciate comments from other FFL's. Normally I wouldn't give two ***** about this guy but he usually has the lowest prices on just about every gun I look for at any given time on the internet.

What were you looking for?

jreinke · Post by **jreinke** » Wed Mar 12, 2014 7:39 am

He was selling a Savage MK II FSS for $261. I ultimately found one for a few dollars more in Minnesota. I'm making a stainless steel version of the Savage MK II FV-SR.

Kramer · Post by **Kramer** » Fri Mar 14, 2014 8:46 pm

There is a FFL/SOT here in nePA (and he is on this board) that will not do transfers to Corps or Trusts, only individuals.

Bendersquint · Post by **Bendersquint** » Fri Mar 14, 2014 9:27 pm

Kramer wrote:There is a FFL/SOT here in nePA (and he is on this board) that will not do transfers to Corps or Trusts, only individuals.

Who is it?

oilfieldtrash76 · Post by **oilfieldtrash76** » Sat Mar 15, 2014 1:47 am

When I interviewed with ATF before getting my license they asked and insisted that I have a state tax ID. However this was after I told them I would be selling firearms to individuals face to face. Not sure what they would have said about out of state only sales but it seems to be legal. ATF was concerned with making sure I was actually doing business for profit and not with the exact nature or details of my business plan.

JasonNC · Post by **JasonNC** » Mon Jul 21, 2014 7:01 am

Kramer wrote:There is a FFL/SOT here in nePA (and he is on this board) that will not do transfers to Corps or Trusts, only individuals.

I have a local gun shop here in Raleigh that has the same they claim its a loop hole in th law and they want nothing to do with it.

ick · Post by **ick** » Mon Jul 21, 2014 10:00 am

I understand why he doesn't want to screw with sales tax forms. Sales tax is a lot of screwing around with forms all year long.

I suspect that this sort of strategy, avoiding things that require a lot of screwing around.....permeates his business in all levels. This is, in fact, probably why his "prices are so good."

Not saying it is right, or even legitimate, just more efficient.

He should not be compelled by law or regulation to do business in his own state. That would be an affront to liberty... and I am certain that is against the core principles of most reasonable persons.

edcurtis · Post by **edcurtis** » Fri Aug 29, 2014 9:41 pm

JasonNC wrote: I have a local gun shop here in Raleigh that has the same they claim its a loop hole in th law and they want nothing to do with it.

Local shop/FFL here will do transfers on any weapons but NOT AR15 stripped lowers. Says he doesn't want the ATF kicking his door down over stripped lowers.

...wat?

Kramer · Post by **Kramer** » Sun Aug 31, 2014 11:09 am

JasonNC wrote:
Kramer wrote:There is a FFL/SOT here in nePA (and he is on this board) that will not do transfers to Corps or Trusts, only individuals.
I have a local gun shop here in Raleigh that has the same they claim its a loop hole in th law and they want nothing to do with it.

Between me (LLC/Corp) and my buddy (Trust), the guy here in nePA lost out on a lot of can sales.

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