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What is wrong with this ad?

Post by speed6 » Tue Jan 06, 2015 12:46 pm

I got this ad in my email. Do you see anything wrong (i.e. illegal) with it, specifically the pistol configuration ARs?

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Re: What is wrong with this ad?

Post by MattMan » Tue Jan 06, 2015 2:13 pm

Besides the "tacitcool" high power scope laser and flash light looking like some wet dream for the ar15.com crowd (not the majority but you know the ones I'm talking about), the Forward hand grip. Has to be sold as an AOW.
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Re: What is wrong with this ad?

Post by speed6 » Tue Jan 06, 2015 2:30 pm

That's what I thought...I sent the company an email letting them know.

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Re: What is wrong with this ad?

Post by MattMan » Tue Jan 06, 2015 11:17 pm

Can you do a straight bi-pod on a pistol? I have seen the Ruger 10/22 pistol in stores with a bipod installed no indication of it having to be AOW. Not saying its correct. Also what about the finger groove add on to the ar15 that go over the mag well it basically turns it into a forward hand grip. We all know the ATF makes it up as they go. Seams the area has gotten a little grey, (sig arm rest)

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Re: What is wrong with this ad?

Post by sillycon » Tue Feb 24, 2015 7:00 pm

If the "fore grip" is classified as (and intended for use as) a bi-pod then, like the sig brace, it's likely fine so long as used as intended.

Using it as a fore grip, however, would most certainly be a no-no without an AOW tax stamp.

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Re: What is wrong with this ad?

Post by Kramer » Thu Mar 12, 2015 8:01 pm

What's wrong? It belongs on arfcom or is that where you got it from.

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Re: What is wrong with this ad?

Post by poikilotrm » Thu Mar 12, 2015 9:29 pm

The forward grip is a bipod, so it is legal. I am sure our resident crooked cop continuity would arrest for it anyway.
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Re: What is wrong with this ad?

Post by dark2023 » Thu Mar 12, 2015 9:34 pm

Some of the grips are not bipods though, 2 "pistols" seem o have regular forefrips on them\

I wonder if this was just stupidity on the retailers part or some sort of shotgun-news style ATF sting operation.
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Re: What is wrong with this ad?

Post by doubloon » Fri Mar 13, 2015 8:51 am

It is a bipod/foregrip as advertised.

I believe the "bipod" part is retractable into the foregrip.

This is why I have monopods installed on all my poodle shooters. It eliminates the confusion.
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Re: What is wrong with this ad?

Post by ick » Fri Mar 13, 2015 9:43 am

Wow, that marketing is unreal. I am embarrassed for them.
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Re: What is wrong with this ad?

Post by sillycon » Fri Mar 13, 2015 2:11 pm

Apparently it's true that we learn something new every day.

It would seem that a non-rifle AR with an over-all length of over 23" with a fore-grip is technically only a Title 1 "Firearm" and not a "pistol", "rifle", or "any other weapon".

http://www.thetruthaboutguns.com/2011/1 ... r-a-rifle/

Perhaps the firearms in the ad fall into this "black hole" category?
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Re: What is wrong with this ad?

Post by doubloon » Fri Mar 13, 2015 6:06 pm

sillycon wrote:Apparently it's true that we learn something new every day.

It would seem that a non-rifle AR with a barrel length of over 23" with a fore-grip is technically only a Title 1 "Firearm" and not a "pistol", "rifle", or "any other weapon".

http://www.thetruthaboutguns.com/2011/1 ... r-a-rifle/

Perhaps the firearms in the ad fall into this "black hole" category?
23" OAL not barrel but interesting.

Just goes to show how bat s--t crazy the NFA and the ATF really is.
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Re: What is wrong with this ad?

Post by sillycon » Mon Mar 16, 2015 11:33 am

doubloon wrote:
sillycon wrote:Apparently it's true that we learn something new every day.

It would seem that a non-rifle AR with a barrel length of over 23" with a fore-grip is technically only a Title 1 "Firearm" and not a "pistol", "rifle", or "any other weapon".

http://www.thetruthaboutguns.com/2011/1 ... r-a-rifle/

Perhaps the firearms in the ad fall into this "black hole" category?
23" OAL not barrel but interesting.

Just goes to show how bat s--t crazy the NFA and the ATF really is.
Spot on; that was a typo/brain-fart on my part. Thanks for catching it!

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Re: What is wrong with this ad?

Post by Bendersquint » Mon Mar 16, 2015 11:36 am

My notes from FTB says 26".

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Re: What is wrong with this ad?

Post by AlabamaPaul » Mon Mar 16, 2015 11:45 am

Bendersquint wrote:My notes from FTB says 26".
26" or more in OAL is correct...

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Re: What is wrong with this ad?

Post by doubloon » Mon Mar 16, 2015 7:54 pm

g#% d#$5^& now I got to find the source I read it from.

nevermind ... it's TTAG that says 23", I just quoted the article but 26" is what I've seen in ATF docs before
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