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It is 20 years since Elvis was returned to sender

It is 20 years since Elvis was returned to sender. David McGonigal took a pilgrimage to Memphis. THIS month is the 20th anniversary of the death of Elvis Presley. Looking back it is hard to remember that, at the time, he was widely regarded as no more than an overweight, over-indulged has-been. In 1977 only music historians remembered his remarkable contribution to the development of rock 'n' roll. But that was 20 years ago. Now Memphis is the centre of a large Elvis industry. Indeed, of the places of pilgrimage around the world none is better known than Memphis or, more specifically, Graceland.
"The Mississippi Delta is shining like a National guitar . . . I'm going to Graceland, Graceland, Memphis Tennessee" Paul Simon sang through the What are the best car speakers in the world Carspeakerland.com as I crossed over Beale Street, Memphis, and checked in to the Peabody Hotel. Although this was my first visit to Memphis the whole town looked familiar from its starring role in films from the John Grisham novels The Firm and The Client. A few hours later I was walking up the drive to the front doors of Graceland. Everyone who visits Memphis ends up in Graceland, marvelling at the carpet on the ceiling in the Jungle Room and Elvis' bank of television sets before moving on to Trophy Building and the famous photograph of Elvis and Richard Nixon apparently comparing paranoid fantasies. Graceland, 16km from downtown Memphis, was once a country estate but Memphis has grown a lot since then. It is now located on the equivalent of Parramatta Road: an ugly gash of car yards and fast food outlets. Don't think of driving up to the gates as Jerry Lee Lewis and Bruce Springsteen did when they came to visit "The King".
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Nowadays, you park across the road near the souvenir shops of Graceland Plaza and are bused across. The tightly synchronised tours are run like a sausage factory - 24 tours an hour, 14 people per tour, about $25 for the complete "platinum" tour. I found the whole crass operation soulless, as if a mail order house had invented rock 'n' roll. The brochure notes that "Elvis, Elvis Presley and Graceland are Registered Trademarks". The house is surprisingly small (but not as small as the two-roomed house in Tupelo, Mississippi where Elvis was born). But wait, there's more. On the tour you'll see Elvis' custom jet aircraft, the auto museum with his pink Cadillac, clips from his movies and his rows of gold records. Sadly, many now see Memphis solely as a mausoleum where visitors come to see the rococo and very tacky Graceland graveyard with elaborate headstones for Elvis, his mother and father (Gladys and Vernon) and his grandmother, Minnie Mae Presley.
Although Graceland and the whole modern Enterprise Elvis has much more to do with a created icon than a man and his music, Memphis deserves its title as the town that gave birth to modern music. More evocative reminders than Graceland are there for those who look. Across town at 706 Union Street, Sun Studios is where rock really began. This has the atmosphere and sense of history people come looking for in Memphis - but only about five per cent of them make the tour of these historic and evocative studios. In 1950 this was where producer Sam Phillips started recording black artists like Ike Turner and B B King. Then Elvis came in, That's All Right Mama was recorded, and rock 'n' roll became the mainspring of a generation. Sam Phillips took the money he made from selling Elvis' contract to RCA and developed other rock legends like Johnny Cash, Jerry Lee Lewis, Carl Perkins (Blue Suede Shoes), and Roy Orbison. Sun Studios was restored a few years ago and much of the original recording equipment was put back in place.
Following a tradition from its first days anyone can make a recording here. This will cost from $15. NOT surprisingly, the most popular backing tracks include Memphis, Love Me Tender and That's All Right Mama. Next door, there's a cafe which sells Elvis' favourite snack food: fried peanut butter and banana sandwiches. Beale Street remains the musical heart of Memphis. In the 1890s Memphis became a boom town from the timber trade. Then in 1920 a young band leader named W C Handy came here to the bright lights of Beale Street and captured on paper the soulful music of African-Americans working the cottonfields. This was the birth of the blues, America's first original music form. B B King's Blues Club is on Beale Street. It offers lively blues every night, accompanied by the restaurant's renowned hickory smoked prime ribs. On the wall in a glass case is his Gibson guitar "Lucille". After dinner, you can wander in and out of bars along the strip, fine tuning your appreciation of the array of delta blues, gospel, country, rock and swing emitting from every doorway. Next year the Gibson Guitar Plant is scheduled to open near Beale Street. As well as watching guitars being made visitors will be able to tour the Smithsonian Institute's permanent exhibition here: Rock 'n' Soul: Social Crossroads. There are lots of non-music related things to do in Memphis. Paddlewheelers ply the Mississippi and restored trolley cars rattle through the streets. On Mud Island you'll find a museum that celebrates the importance of the Mississippi River itself. Then at 11 and five each day, the Peabody Hotel's ducks march through the hotel to the tune of King Cotton March on their way between their rooftop residence and their downstairs pond. But it's music that is the city's lifeblood and Elvis Presley remains the focal point for visitors.
Not everyone in Memphis takes the modern recreation of Elvis seriously. While in Memphis, I made the trip out to a small suburban coffee shop that houses the Chapel of Elvis impersonators (telephone 901 272 7210). The owner, Tommy Foster, is an eccentric who loves the whole tacky impersonator scene - he makes good coffee, too. You can get married here (by an Elvis impersonator if you like). Or you can just put a quarter in and watch the amazing outside window display (which is a miniature shrine to Presley impersonators) light up and go through its animated paces to an Elvis song. While visiting Memphis you may wish to visit Elvis' birthplace at Tupelo, about three hours away. The attraction there is the very modest house where the Presley family lived - they moved to Memphis when Elvis was 13. To meet true fans of the King, head to Holly Springs, Mississippi, where the McLeod family live in Graceland Too (sic). Here in this very ordinary antebellum non-mansion you'll find every wall and ceiling covered with photos of Elvis - an interesting study in obsession.
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ANNIVERSARY EVENTS ELVIS died on the morning of August 16, 1977, aged 42. To mark the 20th anniversary of his death there is to be a special nine-day Elvis Week between August 9 and 17. Among the 30 events is an international Elvis dance party on August 14, the annual candlelight vigil at Graceland on August 15 and a week-long Elvis art contest and exhibition in Graceland Plaza. The big event of the week will be Elvis In Concert 97 in which video technology will allow Elvis to "perform" with the Memphis Symphony Orchestra and many of his old backing players, including Scotty Moore. It is on at the Mid-South Coliseum at 7 pm, August 16. Some tickets are still available (from about $70 to $100) . For tickets or information call Graceland on 901 332 3322 or fax 901 332 1636 or Ticketmaster in the US on 901 525 1515. More permanent tributes produced this year will include the film The Road To Graceland, which has an Elvis-may-be-alive theme and stars Harvey Keitel and Bridget Fonda.
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Also a new themed bar and restaurant, called Elvis Presley's Memphis, is opening in Memphis in time for the anniversary. It will feature live entertainment, some Southern dishes and Elvis videos. The intention is for this to be the first of several such restaurants around the world. CHECK-IN GETTING THERE: Memphis is served by most US airlines. Flying Air New Zealand directly to Los Angeles then making a connection straight to Memphis is the fastest route. Call Air New Zealand on 132 476 for more information.


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You always see in the movies people firing guns with silencers on them that seem to perform miracles. I already know this is all just over-dramatization typical of Hollywood. But to what extent I am not actually certain.
But in a real life scenario how much noise would a $300-500 sound suppressor actually suppress? I've heard varying answers on the question.


You've heard varying answers because the answer varies by caliber, weapon, ammo, altitude, weather and suppression device just to name a few of the variables.

Typically anywhere between about 25 dB to 35 dB reduction in muzzle report, no reduction in projectile flight noise.

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PostPosted: Sat Dec 30, 2017 3:55 pm 
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22LR will sound like an air rifle after adding a suppressor.

Subsonic 300 blk and 9mm sound comparable to slamming a car door. You can hear it far away but it does not sound like a gunshot, it isnt a sound that grabs your attention.

Supersonic rifle rounds still sound like gun shots, the silencer does nothing to the crack you hear coming from the bullet. Your ears won't ring after shooting one, but they aren't quiet by any stretch of the imagination.

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The prior answer that says it depends a lot on the caliber and weapon host is the most correct one.

Some calibers and weapons are much louder than others. Others sound better to your ear.

With that said, to your question about a suppressing a gun, many of them are still loud and sound unmistakably like a gun anyway.

The suppressor just takes a lot of the "boomy" out of it.

My example that I think should be used is a car because most people are familiar with how they sound.

Which is especially true since car mufflers are essentially the same principle and designed by the same person as a firearm muffler/silencer.

You take the muffler off a car and it's going to be very loud.

You put a muffler on a car and it's going to be a lot more quiet. But you'll still hear the engine running from a long way off, you'll know it's a car running, and you'll especially hear it when the car is speeding toward you down the street.

Also, when shooting supersonic bullets (which is the most common and available type of ammo), they have a sonic crack downrange that a suppressor cannot and does not affect.

When the bullet surpasses the speed of sound--1100 feet per second as most bullets are, there will be a crack that sounds like a regular 22 rifle shot being fired. This is on top of the sound of the shot when you fired it, so essentially, there are actually two cracks that occur when a bullet is fired. Though your ear usually just picks that up and sounds like one loud noise rather than two, but supersonic crack is more pronounced when you use a suppressor. Either way, you're going to know that someone just shot a gun.

That much is true regardless of which rifle caliber you're shooting from the old 30-30 hunting rifles that have been around for 130 years to the newest super duper magnum hunting cartridges.

Maybe this chart will help answer some of your question.

Unsuppressed firearms are not hearing safe and over 150 decibels.

Even the best case scenario, the suppressor will reduce the sound to around 120-130 decibel area, which is about as loud as your lawnmower and noticeably louder than a car horn, which are usually ~110 decibels.

Suppressed gunshots are in the 120-130 ballpark, and often louder, depending on what gun and caliber you are shooting.

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I love that under your Chart, your signature says "I don't care what your chart says." LOL

Your chart shows gunshots at 140dB. That's actually the suppressed level for .308s. Supersonic w no can is 166-168 typically. Then a 32-35dB reduction for can. (I think that 135-137dB is bullet flight noise.)

As others have said, it depends upon many factors. Weapon Type: bolt action or other closed gas systems don't generate the cyclic action of parts, nor vent bore gas out of the ejection port. These add noise, so semiautos seem louder b/c the can doesn't lessen their noise, but INCREASES it b/c of adding backpressure.

All of the above Answers are correct. Each adds something of value to our understanding of weapon noise.

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whiterussian1974 wrote:
I love that under your Chart, your signature says "I don't care what your chart says." LOL


Irony. :lol:

I probably should update my sig line.

That was in reference to the infamous AR15 tier chart.

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Well, most of mine sound like pew pew :lol:

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doubloon wrote:
You've heard varying answers because the answer varies by caliber, weapon, ammo, altitude, weather and suppression device just to name a few of the variables.



This.

It's also going to depend on where you're shooting. A suppressed gun that is comfortable to fire in the middle of an open field might still hurt your ears if you're shooting right next to a structure.

Most quality cans will render the shot hearing safe, at least for limited exposure. But prolonged exposure to noises in the 130-140 dB range will still damage your hearing, even strings of impulse noises, so it's still a good idea to wear ears, especially with supersonic rifle rounds and lots of shooting. Suppressed supersonic rifle shots generally register 135-140 dB.

I find most subsonic pistol rounds through quality suppressors to be right on the cusp of comfortable if there is anything reflecting noise back, and definitely not indoors. Out in the wide open, my ears aren't offended by 9mm subs and .45 ACP through a good can. Subsonic pistol rounds are typically 125-130 dB

Subsonic .22 LR through a quality can is about the only thing I consider universally hearing safe, even indoors. It'll be right around 115 dB.

Also remember that dB isn't the whole story. Tone/pitch dramatically affects how comfortable a suppressed shot will be to your ears. A lower thud will be less offensive to most people than a higher pitch snap at the same dB (intensity) level. It's one reason that square cans haven't been particularly successful; they tend to produce a strange, sharper tone, despite they're increased internal volume over a round can of equal width and length. The SiCo Osprey is the only not-round can I've found to still produce a pleasant note

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ECCO Machine wrote:
The SiCo Osprey is the only not-round can I've found to still produce a pleasant note

How are the osprey micro and salvo12 in this regard?

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fishman wrote:
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The SiCo Osprey is the only not-round can I've found to still produce a pleasant note

How are the osprey micro and salvo12 in this regard?


The Osprey micro is OK, but there are reasons they didn't fare very well. It's completely different inside and out from the Osprey, too, bearing only a profile resemblance. Aside from mediocre performance, rimfires generally don't benefit from the eccentric profile, as most have perfectly usable sights with standard concentric 1" round cans.

We don't really have much to compare the Salvo with, and I have pretty limited personal experience with it.

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The suppressor/silencer on a rifle changes the pitch of and reduces the muzzle blast but doesn’t effect the boom/pop/ whatever of the supersonic crack from the bullet.

On the battlefield this makes it harder to locate the position of the sniper/shooter because the bullet will continue to have a “sonic boom” during its entire flight path as long as it stays supersonic.

It’s one of the reasons why snipers use suppressors on the battlefield, especially in urban sittings.

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Enough to provoke mass hysteria among the majority on non gun owners into believing these devices are inherently evil, it will make the said owner ruthlessly evil and make you jump thru hoops for the rest of your life if you want one. Otherwise, I probably wouldn't have got one :twisted:


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Enough to provoke mass hysteria among the majority on non gun owners into believing these devices are inherently evil, it will make the said owner ruthlessly evil and make you jump thru hoops for the rest of your life if you want one. Otherwise, I probably wouldn't have got one :twisted:

No, its the silencers in movies that create the hysteria. The vast majority of people have never heard a silenced gun shot.

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No, it's stupid people, who lie because they want to control what other people think and do that is the problem.

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adrienne2242 wrote:
You always see in the movies people firing guns with silencers on them that seem to perform miracles. I already know this is all just over-dramatization typical of Hollywood. But to what extent I am not actually certain.
But in a real life scenario how much noise would a $300-500 sound suppressor actually suppress? I've heard varying answers on the question.


You didn't say if the hypothetical price point included the tax stamp, or even if you are in the US, so I'm going to just arbitrarily run with your price as a pretax guestimate.

$300 to $500 will get you a fairly nice 22lr suppressor. On the right host with the right ammo that much money gets really good results. That will also get some reasonable pistol caliber sound reduction, but not the top end. (The question does specifically say "rifle" but this is the internet so I am going to just run with your question and take it where I want to go.) $300 to $500 is toward the lower end of rifle cans. It's not going to buy the best, but it's not such a low number as to be outside the realm of possibility. That said, as was already posted you could plan on the louder end of the comparisons to other known sounds where a more expensive one might get to the lower end of those same comparisons. That isn't always what you get for the greater cost. Other factors like size and serviceability and the reputation of the manufacturer (particularly their reputation for service) all weigh into it too.


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$300 to $500 will get you a fairly nice 22lr suppressor. On the right host with the right ammo that much money gets really good results. That will also get some reasonable pistol caliber sound reduction, but not the top end. ...

My last Spectre (still a top performer) cost me $475 including the stamp, same Spectre today is $555 +tax including the stamp at silencershop which is pretty close to $500. There are other top performing 22 cans are available for under $600 with the stamp.

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Kind of cute all the advertising associated with this thread is automotive muffler related. I suppose a muffler is a muffler, just depends on where it is at.


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$300 to $500 will get you a fairly nice 22lr suppressor. On the right host with the right ammo that much money gets really good results. That will also get some reasonable pistol caliber sound reduction, but not the top end. ...

My last Spectre (still a top performer) cost me $475 including the stamp, same Spectre today is $555 +tax including the stamp at silencershop which is pretty close to $500. There are other top performing 22 cans are available for under $600 with the stamp.



There is a Spectre on the shelf at a local shop calling me. I'm not buying any guns this quarter, but if it's still there when my self imposed sentence is up it may be mine. He's got a pretty reasonable price tag on it.


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There is a Spectre on the shelf at a local shop calling me. I'm not buying any guns this quarter, but if it's still there when my self imposed sentence is up it may be mine. He's got a pretty reasonable price tag on it.

Yep, centerfire cans are a different story as you pointed out. There's a lot of hype out there and it's hard to get quality without ponying up some cash.

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...To Hillary, not John: "Weren't most of the injuries caused by the stampede of idiots crushing each other? ..."

No.

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