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Re: fienstein wants ar,s under nfa

Post by Libertarian_Geek » Thu Dec 27, 2012 9:40 am

I've heard of tolerance stacking, but this thread is full of speculation stacking.
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Post by beanfield33 » Thu Dec 27, 2012 10:18 am

Libertarian_Geek wrote:I've heard of tolerance stacking, but this thread is full of speculation stacking.
Agreed (I'm guilty of it). It's hard not to, but it definitely isn't helping anything.

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Post by DarkPhoenix » Thu Dec 27, 2012 1:03 pm

http://www.feinstein.senate.gov/public/ ... lt-weapons

Here is the summary of the bill that our fave congress female from ca plans to introduce. I have been trying to resist the panic, but this bill looks well thought out from an antigun perspective. Only time will tell...

Time to clean out the 401k...

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Re: fienstein wants ar,s under nfa

Post by Bendersquint » Thu Dec 27, 2012 1:21 pm

DarkPhoenix wrote:http://www.feinstein.senate.gov/public/ ... lt-weapons

Here is the summary of the bill that our fave congress female from ca plans to introduce. I have been trying to resist the panic, but this bill looks well thought out from an antigun perspective. Only time will tell...

Time to clean out the 401k...

J/K
Just by that you are overreacting.

The 94 bill when initially put out was worse than this bill minus the 1 additional feature making it an AW.

It will get negotiated down to at least the previous AWB if it even goes anywhere. This would be her 324098234 time trying it since it sunsetted in 2004.

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Re: fienstein wants ar,s under nfa

Post by shhh hunting wabbits » Thu Dec 27, 2012 2:12 pm

Bendersquint wrote:
DarkPhoenix wrote:http://www.feinstein.senate.gov/public/ ... lt-weapons

Here is the summary of the bill that our fave congress female from ca plans to introduce. I have been trying to resist the panic, but this bill looks well thought out from an antigun perspective. Only time will tell...

Time to clean out the 401k...

J/K
Just by that you are overreacting.

The 94 bill when initially put out was worse than this bill minus the 1 additional feature making it an AW.

It will get negotiated down to at least the previous AWB if it even goes anywhere. This would be her 324098234 time trying it since it sunsetted in 2004.
Yeah, I'm not getting the panic. Any law has to go through the house. No gun control law will make it through the current (or January) house of representatives. Plus the current priority for both chambers will be fiscal issues, this will likely loss steam for all but the liberal-ist of legislators.

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Post by DarkPhoenix » Thu Dec 27, 2012 2:17 pm

Bendersquint wrote:
DarkPhoenix wrote:http://www.feinstein.senate.gov/public/ ... lt-weapons

Here is the summary of the bill that our fave congress female from ca plans to introduce. I have been trying to resist the panic, but this bill looks well thought out from an antigun perspective. Only time will tell...

Time to clean out the 401k...

J/K
Just by that you are overreacting.

The 94 bill when initially put out was worse than this bill minus the 1 additional feature making it an AW.

It will get negotiated down to at least the previous AWB if it even goes anywhere. This would be her 324098234 time trying it since it sunsetted in 2004.
Just by that i am kidding. My initials are not J/K. :-)
I agree with huntin wabbits, it will take a while before anything gets passed. Looks scary, but unlikely to pass as is, as you pointed out with Awb 1.

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Re: fienstein wants ar,s under nfa

Post by Bendersquint » Thu Dec 27, 2012 2:18 pm

shhh hunting wabbits wrote:
Bendersquint wrote:
DarkPhoenix wrote:http://www.feinstein.senate.gov/public/ ... lt-weapons

Here is the summary of the bill that our fave congress female from ca plans to introduce. I have been trying to resist the panic, but this bill looks well thought out from an antigun perspective. Only time will tell...

Time to clean out the 401k...

J/K
Just by that you are overreacting.

The 94 bill when initially put out was worse than this bill minus the 1 additional feature making it an AW.

It will get negotiated down to at least the previous AWB if it even goes anywhere. This would be her 324098234 time trying it since it sunsetted in 2004.
Yeah, I'm not getting the panic. Any law has to go through the house. No gun control law will make it through the current (or January) house of representatives. Plus the current priority for both chambers will be fiscal issues, this will likely loss steam for all but the liberal-ist of legislators.
I think this is simply attempt #324098235 for her. I don't think there is enough brain washed representatives to agree that it will do any good.

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Re: fienstein wants ar,s under nfa

Post by Bendersquint » Thu Dec 27, 2012 2:19 pm

DarkPhoenix wrote: Just by that i am kidding. My initials are not J/K. :-)
I agree with huntin wabbits, it will take a while before anything gets passed. Looks scary, but unlikely to pass as is, as you pointed out with Awb 1.
Ah, gotcha, never know when people post stuff.

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Post by rockman96 » Thu Dec 27, 2012 7:13 pm

One thing about this whole thing... it's helped make me aware of which F--k-stick companies I WON'T be doing business with once this s--t blows over, and CTD is at the top of that list. They're nothing more than low-life POS opportunist scalpers IMO.

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Post by Libertarian_Geek » Thu Dec 27, 2012 7:42 pm

rockman96 wrote:One thing about this whole thing... it's helped make me aware of which F--k-stick companies I WON'T be doing business with once this s--t blows over, and CTD is at the top of that list. They're nothing more than low-life POS opportunist scalpers IMO.
Yeah, F--k those capitalists who allow the free market to set prices. They should be ashamed for not making sacrifices for those who didn't prepare ahead of time. Just imagine what they're doing with that profit. They're probably reinvesting it into their businesses to prepare for whatever political unknowns will affect their primary market.

Yeah, screw that. We're entitled to much much more of their work. Instead of letting the free market determine the price, they should just sell out all of their inventory to the first ones who buy. That would be much more fair. From each according to their ability, to each according to their need. The government should step in and regulate the prices at which they can sell magazines, lowers and ammunition.

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Post by rcn11thacr » Thu Dec 27, 2012 7:46 pm

Yeah, F--k those capitalists who allow the free market to set prices.
LOL, God forbid :)
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Post by bkoski » Thu Dec 27, 2012 7:56 pm

Libertarian_Geek wrote:
rockman96 wrote:One thing about this whole thing... it's helped make me aware of which F--k-stick companies I WON'T be doing business with once this s--t blows over, and CTD is at the top of that list. They're nothing more than low-life POS opportunist scalpers IMO.
Yeah, F--k those capitalists who allow the free market to set prices. They should be ashamed for not making sacrifices for those who didn't prepare ahead of time. Just imagine what they're doing with that profit. They're probably reinvesting it into their businesses to prepare for whatever political unknowns will affect their primary market.

Yeah, screw that. We're entitled to much much more of their work. Instead of letting the free market determine the price, they should just sell out all of their inventory to the first ones who buy. That would be much more fair. From each according to their ability, to each according to their need. The government should step in and regulate the prices at which they can sell magazines, lowers and ammunition.

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This deserves a bold +1
Libertarian_Geek, your statement is true and just (bold +1 earned).
rockman96, your statement is borderline communist, and 100% ignorant.

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Re: fienstein wants ar,s under nfa

Post by sopootto » Thu Dec 27, 2012 8:48 pm

Libertarian_Geek wrote:
rockman96 wrote:One thing about this whole thing... it's helped make me aware of which F--k-stick companies I WON'T be doing business with once this s--t blows over, and CTD is at the top of that list. They're nothing more than low-life POS opportunist scalpers IMO.
Yeah, F--k those capitalists who allow the free market to set prices. They should be ashamed for not making sacrifices for those who didn't prepare ahead of time. Just imagine what they're doing with that profit. They're probably reinvesting it into their businesses to prepare for whatever political unknowns will affect their primary market.

Yeah, screw that. We're entitled to much much more of their work. Instead of letting the free market determine the price, they should just sell out all of their inventory to the first ones who buy. That would be much more fair. From each according to their ability, to each according to their need. The government should step in and regulate the prices at which they can sell magazines, lowers and ammunition.

:lol:
um I think your not getting the point. CTD also known as Cheaper than dirt said this right after Sandyhook massacre "Cheaper Than Dirt! is suspending online sales of firearms effective immediately. We are reviewing our policy internally, and will continue to be the leader in the outdoor industry with our full line of gear and accessories."

Basically turning their back on the second amendment And buying into the liberal BS and Obama's fake tears.

Although he did say scalpers, so maybe he is a commie

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Post by everyusernametaken » Thu Dec 27, 2012 9:24 pm

Yeah, CTD made that statement and then tried to back-pedal once they realized how it was perceived.

I haven't had any reason to buy from them since they first jacked up 5.56 ammo prices significantly around May, I think it was. They were so much higher than everyone else selling the same products, it was strange that they never brought the prices back down after the run on ammo in that timeframe. At that point, I was thinking "no one's stupid enough to pay $500 for 1K rounds of M855", but I couldn't have even imagined they would charge $900 for the same 1000 rounds like they have now!

If they can make that much, the more power to them I guess. The "mainstream" consumers are their target market. I also choose not to support them based on that mis-step response to the shootings.

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Post by jackson » Thu Dec 27, 2012 9:39 pm

hey geek,why don,t just purchase you form ctd no matter what they charge in order to help out there cause.like you say they are just good ole boys re investing in there company in order to help us little people out.

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Post by Libertarian_Geek » Thu Dec 27, 2012 10:46 pm

jackson wrote:hey geek,why don,t just purchase you form ctd no matter what they charge in order to help out there cause.like you say they are just good ole boys re investing in there company in order to help us little people out.
Jackson, I normally have you on my ignore list (can't remember why).
jackson wrote:hey geek,why don,t just purchase you form ctd no matter what they charge in order to help out there cause.like you say they are just good ole boys re investing in there company in order to help us little people out.
Do you have jelly donuts in your keyboard or are you always so eloquent?

So, if I understand your dialect, you're trying to make my comment (about companies adjusting to supply and demand) imply that I support CTD's alleged knee-jerk+about-face PR disaster.

You read as well as you write. I'm still not decided on CTD. If they are telling the truth or not. If their policy review was due to high demand and delays or if it was really a "politically correct" knee-jerk BS move. I didn't comment about that aspect of it. I suggest that you go re-read my post until you understand that point (even if it takes you all day).

To answer your other question. I already bought my s--t when it was cheap. My point was about all sellers that are adjusting to a low supply combined with a high demand. If you want to speculate and bitch about CTD, so be it. But don't expect to bitch about the free market and not get called out on it.
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Post by Bendersquint » Thu Dec 27, 2012 11:25 pm

Here is a screencap taken from the CheaperThanDirt website on their prices of MagPul pmags. I didn't cap it personally but I did verify it on their actual website.

It was ridiculous and it changed about 24 hours after Sandy hook and within a few hours of the announcement of a new possible ban.

The price was returned to normal after MagPul chastised their dealers for gouging people.

Hopefully this will help in your thoughts about CTD. I know I won't do business with them anymore.

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Post by Broken11B » Thu Dec 27, 2012 11:30 pm

I feel like "Free market supply" is vastly different from "taking advantage/price gouging". My scale is relative to me and me alone; where everyone elses' scales tip is up to them. However, I think tens of thousands of AR owners out there feel like CTD's scale tipped to "gouging" and they won't forget it.

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Post by bkoski » Thu Dec 27, 2012 11:53 pm

Check the pmag prices on any auction site, or anywhere they are actually in stock... Tell me how CTD has done wrong? When I bought mine, they were $12 a piece, including the dust covers. Is there anyone here willing to sell me another 50 for that same price, tax free? I bet not... How about anyone willing to sell me an Arsenal AK for $900, or a quality AR-15 for the same... I'm glad no one else is using CTD anymore, makes it easier for me to get what I want when it is in stock.

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Re: fienstein wants ar,s under nfa

Post by beanfield33 » Fri Dec 28, 2012 12:00 am

Free market capitalists are free to charge whatever they feel the market will pay... that's their prerogative. At the same time, the market also has every right to voice their opinion (as well as boycott) if they think prices are out of line. It works both ways. CTD shouldn't be surprised if they receive blowback I'm the form of consumers buying products elsewhere. They thought jacking up prices would negate the loss of customer loyalty. Time will tell whether this was a wise decision.
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Post by Bendersquint » Fri Dec 28, 2012 12:03 am

beanfield33 wrote:Free market capitalists are free to charge whatever they feel the market will pay... that's their prerogative. At the same time, the market also has every right to voice their opinion (as well as boycott) if they think prices are out of line. It works both ways. CTD shouldn't be surprised if they receive blowback I'm the form of consumers buying products elsewhere.
There were chastised by MagPul for gouging and amazingly within an hour their price was back to normal.

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Post by beanfield33 » Fri Dec 28, 2012 12:31 am

Bendersquint wrote: There were chastised by MagPul for gouging and amazingly within an hour their price was back to normal.
Yeah, the way they handled black rifle sales was enough to drive my business away from them. The magpul pmag stunt just reaffirmed my decision. I did log in during the midst of their price hike and saw it first hand. They put all their pmags as out of stock and then added 2 new items for $60. They lost my loyalty. If other people still want to give them their business... no skin off my back.

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Post by rockman96 » Fri Dec 28, 2012 12:41 am

sopootto wrote:
Libertarian_Geek wrote:
rockman96 wrote:One thing about this whole thing... it's helped make me aware of which F--k-stick companies I WON'T be doing business with once this s--t blows over, and CTD is at the top of that list. They're nothing more than low-life POS opportunist scalpers IMO.
Yeah, F--k those capitalists who allow the free market to set prices. They should be ashamed for not making sacrifices for those who didn't prepare ahead of time. Just imagine what they're doing with that profit. They're probably reinvesting it into their businesses to prepare for whatever political unknowns will affect their primary market.

Yeah, screw that. We're entitled to much much more of their work. Instead of letting the free market determine the price, they should just sell out all of their inventory to the first ones who buy. That would be much more fair. From each according to their ability, to each according to their need. The government should step in and regulate the prices at which they can sell magazines, lowers and ammunition.

:lol:
um I think your not getting the point. CTD also known as Cheaper than dirt said this right after Sandyhook massacre "Cheaper Than Dirt! is suspending online sales of firearms effective immediately. We are reviewing our policy internally, and will continue to be the leader in the outdoor industry with our full line of gear and accessories."

Basically turning their back on the second amendment And buying into the liberal BS and Obama's fake tears.

Although he did say scalpers, so maybe he is a commie
You got communist from just that, really? :lol: A joke maybe?...:) F--k COMMIES! sopootto, you said it well about CTD (and don't forget that Dick's did the exact same thing). I did leave a lot out of the original post without actually realizing it at the time, but in the end CTD and Dick's both showed their true colors with their initial reactions to the shootings. When a buddy sent me a link to where CTD had their (yesterday's price) $14 AR mags listed for $99, it was just icing on the cake for me. I know it's a very different situation, but somehow this still conjures up images of assholes selling $5 bottles of water and $10 bags of ice to hurricane victims. These guys are only one level below them as far as I'm concerned, and anyone who supports this type of practice as being legitimate would do the same thing themselves. I understand capitalism, and supply and demand... I am not bashing it. Making a profit is what it's all based on, but where do ethics start and end? I also understand the concept of being prepared or paying the price, so no one needs to concern themselves with my situation. LibertardianGeek says he's in good shape, that he bought when it was cheap... LG, at some point you'll need to replenish and I don't want to hear any crying about prices from any of you at that point. Or are you're going to just sit on all your s--t forever, waiting for something to happen? F--k that. This same s--t happened in 1994, and again in 2008, and I remember it well, where were you? Anyway, here's the thing: CTD (and Dick's) no longer have anything I need, now, tomorrow, or ever. They've made their choices, and I've made mine... it was done when they rolled over on their backs and pissed all over their own bellies by pulling gun sales. The $99 AR mags didn't do anything to help change that. I'm sure neither company will miss me or my money, but whatever... I won't miss them either.

Here's their "beat to hell, filthy magazines" for "their low price of $99.97." I mean really? They probably have no more than $2 in those mags. :roll:
http://www.cheaperthandirt.com/product/MAG-068

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Post by rockman96 » Fri Dec 28, 2012 12:44 am

bkoski wrote:Check the pmag prices on any auction site, or anywhere they are actually in stock... Tell me how CTD has done wrong? When I bought mine, they were $12 a piece, including the dust covers.
You got screwed as far as I'm concerned. :lol:

J/K...They may work ok in 5.56, but they don't work worth a s--t in my 300 BLK.

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Post by ick » Fri Dec 28, 2012 9:55 am

than low-life POS opportunist scalpers IMO.
Basically turning their back on the second amendment And buying into the liberal BS and Obama's fake tears.
hey geek, why don’t just purchase you form ctd no matter what they charge in order to help out there cause. like you say they are just good ole boys re investing in there company in order to help us little people out.
this still conjures up images of assholes selling $5 bottles of water and $10 bags of ice to hurricane victims. These guys are only one level below them as far as I'm concerned.
I can't believe the emotional garbage I am reading on here lately. Is this not a site where liberty rules? Apparently not.

The right to keep and bear arms does not come from the constitution, we have inalienable rights recognized by the constitution and these kinds of principles are the foundation of our society. Surely these principles should also be the foundation of ST.

This includes the right to be secure in our persons and property, Amendment IV. CTD has the liberty to do as they will.

Exercise your liberty and choose to shun CTD, but cut out the emotional "they shouldn't be allowed to charge X" crap. That is behavior unbecoming a ST member.
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