Senior Navy Civilians Investigated in Silencer Scheme

[Armorer-at-Law]

Federal authorities are investigating three senior Navy intelligence officials as part of a probe into an alleged contracting scheme that charged the military $1.6 million for homemade firearm silencers that cost only $8,000 to manufacture, court records show.

Court records describe Mark Landersman as a down-on-his-luck mechanic who struggled to keep his Temecula repair shop in business. He and his wife declared personal bankruptcy in July 2012.

A month later, according to charging documents, Mark Landersman received a series of e-mails from his brother at the Pentagon about firearm silencers, including a link to a Web site with do-it-yourself instructions for building a certain model.

“Wow! Very simple,” Mark Landersman replied in an e-mail on Aug. 14, 2012, according to the charging documents.

The next day, Navy finance officials informed David Landersman that they had approved a $2 million budget supplement he had requested for “studies, assessments and research.”

http://www.washingtonpost.com/world/nat ... print.html

[Historian]

Federal authorities are investigating three senior Navy intelligence officials as part of a probe into an alleged contracting scheme that charged the military $1.6 million for homemade firearm silencers that cost only $8,000 to manufacture, court records show.

Court records describe Mark Landersman as a down-on-his-luck mechanic who struggled to keep his Temecula repair shop in business. He and his wife declared personal bankruptcy in July 2012.

A month later, according to charging documents, Mark Landersman received a series of e-mails from his brother at the Pentagon about firearm silencers, including a link to a Web site with do-it-yourself instructions for building a certain model.

“Wow! Very simple,” Mark Landersman replied in an e-mail on Aug. 14, 2012, according to the charging documents.

The next day, Navy finance officials informed David Landersman that they had approved a $2 million budget supplement he had requested for “studies, assessments and research.”

http://www.washingtonpost.com/world/nat ... print.html

Another success story for Obama-Does-Care Policy?

A Mallard future cartoon:

First Panel shows Obama non-vetted criminal Navigators asking the class to spell
to impress Nancy Pelosi the word 'FRAUD'.

Second Panel: Shocked sleazes as children yell out "D-E-M-O-C-R-A-T-I-C".

Bet I can guess for whom those military contracting officers living in Virginia voted in last election.

The whole DemoRrat party needs a red habanero* suppository.


* 65 times hotter than a jalapeño,
450,000 Scoville Heat Units -OUCH!!
Cannot not stop laughing at cartoon image of Chuck Schumer, Elijah Cummings, Nancy the Air Head, etc.
hopping around holding their butts.

[HK45]

This is a common practice, involving everything from suppressors to toilet seat covers.
The American public is being robbed blind.

[Tango2249]

They were for SEAL Team 6...WTF?

[bigbigpig]

They were for SEAL Team 6...WTF?

Lol, exactly. They get whatever equipment they want, and already have damn nice silencers, but they're going to use silencers built in an auto repair shop made from internet plans?

These claims aren't the dumbest things I've ever heard, but pretty close.

[Grounded]

Who knows maybe they wanted some cheap unmarked junk for the sake of plausible deniability. Who wants to guess the construction??? I am thinking exhaust pipe and freeze plugs.

[Libertarian_Geek]

Who knows maybe they wanted some cheap unmarked junk for the sake of plausible deniability. Who wants to guess the construction??? I am thinking exhaust pipe and freeze plugs.

Red Jacket (or is it Pink Sock, I forget their name sometimes)?

[Historian]

They were for SEAL Team 6...WTF?

Lol, exactly. They get whatever equipment they want, and already have damn nice silencers, but they're going to use silencers built in an auto repair shop made from internet plans?

These claims aren't the dumbest things I've ever heard, but pretty close.

+1

The dumbest claim/LIE winner: "If you like your health plan, you can keep it
and you will on average save $2,500.00".

Updating an old saying:

"Bend over and touch your toes and the Obamaistas will show you
were the wild goose goes."

[Pman5KMO]

They were for SEAL Team 6...WTF?

Lol, exactly. They get whatever equipment they want, and already have damn nice silencers, but they're going to use silencers built in an auto repair shop made from internet plans?

These claims aren't the dumbest things I've ever heard, but pretty close.

+1

The dumbest claim/LIE winner: "If you like your health plan, you can keep it
and you will on average save $2,500.00".

Updating an old saying:

"Bend over and touch your toes and the Obamaistas will show you
were the wild goose goes."

Hell just the deductible increase my wife's plan had alone makes it unaffordable.... if Tri(toget)Care didn't suck major balls, I would have her on it... but TriCare already royally screwed my credit up once after failing to pay for knee surgery after approving it....

But I digress....

There is all sorts of these sort of 'sweetheart' deals going on. I would hate to see how much money has been squandered and stolen over the last 5 years alone on such BS....

BTW, the USG pays less than the dealer cost for suppressors from the MFG..... and this mechanic making them, well lets just say govt contract or not, you still need an SOT to mfg NFA items for the USG....

[Stout]

From Fox News
"ALEXANDRIA, VA. – A judge has questioned the viability of a prosecution against a man accused of illegally building hundreds of untraceable rifle silencers under what had been a secret contract with the Navy Seals.

At a pretrial hearing Friday, Judge Leonie Brinkema suggested that there may be classified evidence in the case that shows California race-car mechanic Mark Landersman had legitimate — but off-the-books — authorization to build the silencers from the Navy. If so, she said, she doubted that prosecutors could win their case.

Prosecutors Friday disagreed with Brinkema's assessment of the case.

Landersman's lawyers maintained that his actions were lawful and authorized.

Court records indicate that Landersman was paid $1.7 million in 2012 to build 349 suppressors."

That's $487 per suppressor.

[ick]

$4,871.06 each. You used the wrong decimal place or something.

If they are that much more expensive than Gemtech.... they must be good.

Any chance we can do a group buy?

Put me down for one, please take my money.

I have it on good advice that owning one makes me a tier1 operator.

[whiterussian1974]

From Fox News
"At a pretrial hearing Friday, Judge Leonie Brinkema suggested that there may be classified evidence in the case that shows California race-car mechanic Mark Landersman had legitimate — but off-the-books — authorization to build the silencers from the Navy. If so, she said, she doubted that prosecutors could win their case.

Court records indicate that Landersman was paid $1.7 million in 2012 to build 349 suppressors.

Prosecutors Friday disagreed with Brinkema's assessment of the case.

Landersman's lawyers maintained that his actions were lawful and authorized."

That's $487 per suppressor.

IT sounds like the Navy got the Sweetheart Deal. Only $487/can? He should have charge $2000/can. That is more in keeping w Govt Contracts.
Doesn't the Govt case PROVE that they awarded him the Contract?
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ick just posted as I was typing.
At $4,871.06 each THAT's keeping with Tradition. The R&D of web search should have been good for $800,000!

[Bendersquint]

Secret contract or not an 07/02 is still required to make it happen.

USG can't get around that one unless they are producing them in house.

This guy got caught making illegal cans and recv'd funds from a NAVY buddy.

NSW doesn't buy cans from mechanic, especially ones that get their prints from the internets.

[whiterussian1974]

And yet they awarded him a 1.7mil $ contract.
USA also doesn't torture, kill w/o due process, have CIA ops on domestic land, give guns to Mexican Drug Cartels, etc.
Hopefully he got an Exemption letter from ATF, DoJ authorization or something similar.
The Feds can do ANYTHING because THEY are the ones who enforce the rules.
Secret contract? Just say National Security and that's better than AlaKazam.

Bender, you're stuck on playing by the Rules. Fed does whatever they want. Endless examples out there.
Recess Appointments when Congress NOT in recess. Gun running to Drug Lords. Selling or giving weapons to Terrorists. Not enforcing Immigration or Drug Laws.
Sadly, reality doesn't measure up to our vision of a Lawful Society.

[Historian]

Secret contract or not an 07/02 is still required to make it happen.

USG can't get around that one unless they are producing them in house.

This guy got caught making illegal cans and recv'd funds from a NAVY buddy.

NSW doesn't buy cans from mechanic, especially ones that get their prints from the internets.

Or OCONUS??

How can anyone not be aPAULEd?

[Bendersquint]

And yet they awarded him a 1.7mil $ contract.
USA also doesn't torture, kill w/o due process, have CIA ops on domestic land, give guns to Mexican Drug Cartels, etc.
Hopefully he got an Exemption letter from ATF, DoJ authorization or something similar.
The Feds can do ANYTHING because THEY are the ones who enforce the rules.
Secret contract? Just say National Security and that's better than AlaKazam.

Bender, you're stuck on playing by the Rules. Fed does whatever they want. Endless examples out there.
Recess Appointments when Congress NOT in recess. Gun running to Drug Lords. Selling or giving weapons to Terrorists. Not enforcing Immigration or Drug Laws.
Sadly, reality doesn't measure up to our vision of a Lawful Society.

Its not hard to funnel money around especially within the DoD, if they were truly awarded a 1.7M contract then there would be records of it, even if it were cover..... this case would have NEVER seen the light of day.

Even actions/operations/acquisitions that are classified have a papertrail. Just depends if you can access it or not. He would have had documentation of the acquisition.

Yes, the .gov can do what they want but there is always a papertrail, even with the National Security coversheet.

[Joker31D]

Agree about the never see the light of day, there are people who make visits to State's Attorney's offices, even more that make the get out of jail free call. Get out of jail free memo's do exist for those directly involved in US Soil operations. Even "Training operations", never heard of something off book, only written in a different book.

[Bendersquint]

Agree about the never see the light of day, there are people who make visits to State's Attorney's offices, even more that make the get out of jail free call. Get out of jail free memo's do exist for those directly involved in US Soil operations. Even "Training operations", never heard of something off book, only written in a different book.

Exactly!

There is always a different book.

[eric10mm]

Secret contract or not an 07/02 is still required to make it happen.

Well, unless you're the actual .gov in which case the rules don't apply.

[Bendersquint]

Secret contract or not an 07/02 is still required to make it happen.

Well, unless you're the actual .gov in which case the rules don't apply.

That's why I typed the sentence after the one you quoted.

[Stout]

Ooops. I did have the decimal in the wrong place. The cost per can is actually $4,871.06 per can. Now that's more like it!

[Capt. Link.]

The suppressors in question are they of good quality at least if not reckless endangerment to the end users should be added to the charges and all persons involved should be held accountable under the UCMJ civilian or not!
Dose anyone have details about the cans themselves or who supplied the plans.

[Bendersquint]

The suppressors in question are they of good quality at least if not reckless endangerment to the end users should be added to the charges and all persons involved should be held accountable under the UCMJ civilian or not!
Dose anyone have details about the cans themselves or who supplied the plans.

PM sent.