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rule changes

Post by Ethos » Tue Nov 26, 2013 3:59 pm

do you think the rule changes will happen?

my dad purchased two cans and they are coming from silencer shop to his dealer, then he has to do the form 4


i wonder how this will work out for him

i have a form 1 as well that has to be approved

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Re: rule changes

Post by Bendersquint » Tue Nov 26, 2013 4:52 pm

Ethos wrote:do you think the rule changes will happen?

my dad purchased two cans and they are coming from silencer shop to his dealer, then he has to do the form 4


i wonder how this will work out for him

i have a form 1 as well that has to be approved
Yes the rule change will happen, when they will go into affect? NOONE knows.

There has been zero talk about a grandfather clause as well. They may or may not grandfather all current processing applications.

Again, NOONE knows, not even the ATF!

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Re: rule changes

Post by Ethos » Tue Nov 26, 2013 5:48 pm

this stinks, i am thinking about doing a few more form 1's really quick and getting them in, i hopes of being able to own a can or two just in case we are grandfathered in

there is no hope of getting cleo sign offs around here

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Re: rule changes

Post by Bendersquint » Tue Nov 26, 2013 5:51 pm

Ethos wrote:this stinks, i am thinking about doing a few more form 1's really quick and getting them in, i hopes of being able to own a can or two just in case we are grandfathered in

there is no hope of getting cleo sign offs around here
Then get them in ASAP!

Noone knows when it will go in affect but I would personally have them in before the rule comment period ends.

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Re: rule changes

Post by rcn11thacr » Wed Nov 27, 2013 11:14 am

That date is the 10th of December, right?
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Re: rule changes

Post by DirtyHandsRob » Wed Nov 27, 2013 12:35 pm

the last day for comments is Dec 9. i would get all my eforms in, well.... yesterday. then comment against the rule. after commenting against 41P, send a message to your federal reps too.

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Re: rule changes

Post by Ethos » Wed Nov 27, 2013 2:26 pm

added to the comment section......

i also found a link to something i dont really understand, it looks like it says the cleo signoff could possibly be dropped?
can someone explain this?


http://www.reginfo.gov/public/do/eAgend ... =1140-AA43

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Re: rule changes

Post by Ethos » Wed Nov 27, 2013 2:30 pm

ok, here is the text for the proposed rule change, this was proposed by the DOJ

DOJ/ATF RIN: 1140-AA43 Publication ID: 2012
Title: Background Checks for Principal Officers of Corporations, Trusts, and Other Legal Entities With Respect to the Making or Transferring of a National Firearms Act Firearm

Abstract: The Department of Justice is proposing to amend the regulations of the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms, and Explosives (ATF) regarding the making or transferring of a firearm under the National Firearms Act.

The proposed regulations would (1) add a definition for the term "responsible person";

(2) require each responsible person of a corporation, trust or legal entity to complete a specified form, and to submit photographs and fingerprints;

(3) require that a copy of all applications to make or transfer a firearm be forwarded to the chief law enforcement officer (CLEO) of the locality in which the maker or transferee is located; and

****(4) eliminate the requirement for a certification signed by the CLEO.****

Agency: Department of Justice(DOJ) Priority: Other Significant
RIN Status: Previously published in the Unified Agenda Agenda Stage of Rulemaking: Proposed Rule Stage
Major: No Unfunded Mandates: No
CFR Citation: 27 CFR 479
Legal Authority: 26 USC 7805
Legal Deadline: None

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Post by Bendersquint » Wed Nov 27, 2013 2:42 pm

Ethos wrote:ok, here is the text for the proposed rule change, this was proposed by the DOJ

DOJ/ATF RIN: 1140-AA43 Publication ID: 2012
Title: Background Checks for Principal Officers of Corporations, Trusts, and Other Legal Entities With Respect to the Making or Transferring of a National Firearms Act Firearm

Abstract: The Department of Justice is proposing to amend the regulations of the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms, and Explosives (ATF) regarding the making or transferring of a firearm under the National Firearms Act.

The proposed regulations would (1) add a definition for the term "responsible person";

(2) require each responsible person of a corporation, trust or legal entity to complete a specified form, and to submit photographs and fingerprints;

(3) require that a copy of all applications to make or transfer a firearm be forwarded to the chief law enforcement officer (CLEO) of the locality in which the maker or transferee is located; and

****(4) eliminate the requirement for a certification signed by the CLEO.****

Agency: Department of Justice(DOJ) Priority: Other Significant
RIN Status: Previously published in the Unified Agenda Agenda Stage of Rulemaking: Proposed Rule Stage
Major: No Unfunded Mandates: No
CFR Citation: 27 CFR 479
Legal Authority: 26 USC 7805
Legal Deadline: None
Thats the old one, the new one has changes to require CLEO signoff.

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Re: rule changes

Post by Ethos » Wed Nov 27, 2013 2:51 pm

that sucks big time, i think it will kill a lot of silencer sales

at least in my area, everyone i know wants a couple

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Re: rule changes

Post by Bendersquint » Wed Nov 27, 2013 4:52 pm

Ethos wrote:that sucks big time, i think it will kill a lot of silencer sales

at least in my area, everyone i know wants a couple
It will kill alot of NFA sales, not just cans.

I foresee it being overturned or converted to CLEO notification in the future though.

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Re: rule changes

Post by Ethos » Wed Nov 27, 2013 4:59 pm

i would hope so

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Post by kapkanimd » Thu Nov 28, 2013 12:12 pm

Bendersquint wrote:
Ethos wrote:that sucks big time, i think it will kill a lot of silencer sales

at least in my area, everyone i know wants a couple
It will kill alot of NFA sales, not just cans.

I foresee it being overturned or converted to CLEO notification in the future though.
why not cans?

This is the first time I am hearing about this as I haven't been around the forum very often lately.
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Re: rule changes

Post by rjacobs » Thu Nov 28, 2013 1:26 pm

I wrote my Congressman and the one R senator from my state about this AND the absurd wait times.

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Re: rule changes

Post by Bendersquint » Thu Nov 28, 2013 7:39 pm

kapkanimd wrote:
Bendersquint wrote:
Ethos wrote:that sucks big time, i think it will kill a lot of silencer sales

at least in my area, everyone i know wants a couple
It will kill alot of NFA sales, not just cans.

I foresee it being overturned or converted to CLEO notification in the future though.
why not cans?

This is the first time I am hearing about this as I haven't been around the forum very often lately.
Reread my comment, I didn't say cans would not be affected, everything will be affected.

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Re: rule changes

Post by Ethos » Sat Nov 30, 2013 10:19 am

so i am getting ready to send in 3 form 1's on monday

i have a few questions


1. do i need to do 3 of the citizenship forms?

2. Do i need 3 copies of the trust?

3. can i send them all together in one package

4. can i send one check?

i want them in someones hand before the 9th, i am hoping for a grandfather clause

I just hope the first one sent will be ok, and i didnt do anything wrong that would get it kicked back

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Re: rule changes

Post by Bendersquint » Sat Nov 30, 2013 12:35 pm

Ethos wrote:so i am getting ready to send in 3 form 1's on monday

i have a few questions


1. do i need to do 3 of the citizenship forms?

2. Do i need 3 copies of the trust?

3. can i send them all together in one package

4. can i send one check?

i want them in someones hand before the 9th, i am hoping for a grandfather clause

I just hope the first one sent will be ok, and i didnt do anything wrong that would get it kicked back
Send them all in in the very same package and you can include one check, one trust and one citizenship form.

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Re: rule changes

Post by Ethos » Sat Nov 30, 2013 10:14 pm

thank you very much


i hope the cleo thing dies, it appears that michigan may make sbr legal

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Re: rule changes

Post by Prince Yamato » Sun Dec 01, 2013 7:43 pm

The other option is that states will pass "shall-sign" laws requiring LEOs to sign.

I think it's just going to be an inconvenience in the short term. There are others besides CLEOs who can sign. I think those in elected positions can play this off on one another politically- at least in Republican areas. I think it's doom for NFA stuff in CT, MA, and other heavily Democrat states.

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Re: rule changes

Post by Ethos » Mon Dec 02, 2013 12:33 pm

is there somewhere on the net where i can fill out a form 1 online and then print it instead of hand writing the info for my 3 forms?, I would like to do this for neatness sake

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Re: rule changes

Post by Bendersquint » Mon Dec 02, 2013 12:47 pm

Ethos wrote:is there somewhere on the net where i can fill out a form 1 online and then print it instead of hand writing the info for my 3 forms?, I would like to do this for neatness sake
www.atf.gov/files/forms/download/atf-f-5320-1.pdf

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Re: rule changes

Post by Ethos » Mon Dec 02, 2013 2:54 pm

is there one also for the citizenship form?

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Re: rule changes

Post by Bendersquint » Mon Dec 02, 2013 3:58 pm

Ethos wrote:is there one also for the citizenship form?
You gotta learn about the site called www.google.com! :wink:

www.atf.gov/files/forms/download/atf-f-5330-20.pdf‎

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Re: rule changes

Post by Loki_stormbringer » Mon Dec 02, 2013 9:42 pm

Bendersquint wrote:
Ethos wrote:is there one also for the citizenship form?
You gotta learn about the site called http://www.google.com! :wink:

http://www.atf.gov/files/forms/download ... 30-20.pdf‎

http://lmgtfy.com/?q=atf+citizenship+form+

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Re: rule changes

Post by Ethos » Mon Dec 02, 2013 11:05 pm

i found it soon after


i was wanting one like the first link, non hand written, but i got them done and sent in, now the waiting, so this time next year, lol

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