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AAC at SHOT

Post by JasonM » Tue Jan 14, 2014 11:02 pm

AAC had some interesting stuff-
-a reworked Ranger3 (new double-thick blast baffle and new tube)
-finally a production SR5 and SR7 (with production versions of the 90T Taper Lock mount)

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-and, coolest I think were the re-introduced 762-SD (with all Inconel baffles) and a new 556-SD (All inconel baffles, thicker blast baffle and tube tweaked for easier manufacturing), both are MSRP $650… Pics of these coming.
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Post by STL/N.E.R.D.S. » Tue Jan 14, 2014 11:49 pm

Great to see the Ranger 3, I still have an unfilled invoice from 2012, maybe I will be getting a call! Good news on the 556 SD

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Post by wacki » Wed Jan 15, 2014 12:03 am

JasonM wrote:-and, coolest I think were the re-introduced 762-SD (with all Inconel baffles) and a new 556-SD (All inconel baffles, thicker blast baffle and tube tweaked for easier manufacturing), both are MSRP $650… Pics of these coming.
What am I missing here? 762-SDN-6™ MSRP is $1,050. 62% more cost.


Both have inconel and both look like they have QA. What's the diff?

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Post by JasonM » Wed Jan 15, 2014 12:32 am

wacki wrote:
JasonM wrote:-and, coolest I think were the re-introduced 762-SD (with all Inconel baffles) and a new 556-SD (All inconel baffles, thicker blast baffle and tube tweaked for easier manufacturing), both are MSRP $650… Pics of these coming.
What am I missing here? 762-SDN-6™ MSRP is $1,050. 62% more cost.


Both have inconel and both look like they have QA. What's the diff?
'N-6 is shorter and lighter, i don't know the specific internal differences, or actual sound test results.
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Re: AAC at SHOT

Post by wacki » Wed Jan 15, 2014 12:49 am

JasonM wrote: 'N-6 is shorter and lighter....
With a full Inconel baffle stack shorter and lighter should mean cheaper. But that's not the case. Unless all the weight is in the stainless tube, I don't get it.

Anyway, thanks for the update.
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Post by chrismartin » Wed Jan 15, 2014 12:56 am

Lighter means more material removal is needed, which means more machining time. Time is money, more machining is more wear and tear on the machine and tooling. More machining on Inconel even more wear and tear on tooling.

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Post by wacki » Wed Jan 15, 2014 3:25 am

Thank you. That makes sense.

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Post by Emilio » Wed Jan 15, 2014 6:10 am

chrismartin wrote:Lighter means more material removal is needed, which means more machining time. Time is money, more machining is more wear and tear on the machine and tooling. More machining on Inconel even more wear and tear on tooling.
Not buying that one here. Thinking the reason is to compete and gain back people .

They where on the skin of their "teeth". :lol:
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Post by 57fairlane » Wed Jan 15, 2014 6:49 am

Emilio wrote:
chrismartin wrote:Lighter means more material removal is needed, which means more machining time. Time is money, more machining is more wear and tear on the machine and tooling. More machining on Inconel even more wear and tear on tooling.
Not buying that one here. Thinking the reason is to compete and gain back people .

They where on the skin of their "teeth". :lol:
I think they had to drop the price . . . we can probably thank the SWR-named/SilencerCo-built cans for that.

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Re: AAC at SHOT

Post by wacki » Wed Jan 15, 2014 4:56 pm

Emilio wrote:
chrismartin wrote:Lighter means more material removal is needed, which means more machining time. Time is money, more machining is more wear and tear on the machine and tooling. More machining on Inconel even more wear and tear on tooling.
Not buying that one here. Thinking the reason is to compete and gain back people .

They where on the skin of their "teeth". :lol:
Wikipedia says inconel is cast to final shape and then only minimal grounding is done. Too tough to CNC and super expensive raw material. So a lot of question marks on this end. I was waiting for someone else to say something as I'm not a machinist. Either way I'm glad AAC is continuing to come out with more product. I wish them the best in the future.

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Post by HKschalldampfer » Wed Jan 15, 2014 6:02 pm

We used to make inconel bolts. In order to cast or forge we had a huge press approximately 2.5 stories high to accomplish the basic dimensions. Then we had to use an EDM to make the final shape and then send them over to our machine shop to cut the threads. Either way inconel and other nickel alloys are expensive and it takes a lot of tooling to accomplish. Not sure what Wikipedia defines as minimal machining but in my experience it's a very slow and time consuming task.

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Post by tcba_joe » Fri Jan 17, 2014 12:57 pm

chrismartin wrote:Lighter means more material removal is needed, which means more machining time. Time is money, more machining is more wear and tear on the machine and tooling. More machining on Inconel even more wear and tear on tooling.
OR, lighter may be a feature set many will pay more for, so you charge more for it.

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Post by 1_ar_newbie » Sat Jan 18, 2014 1:37 am

Couple things here

SR5 and SR7 are badass. A TON better than the cans we showed in 2012 that bared the same name. These are the most durable, lightest, quietest and most accurate fast attach silencers that we have ever tested.

Ranger 3 is a steal at $600.

The idea behind the 556-SD was to build an M4-2000 for less money. It uses the same 51t mount. It has a different tube that is faster (less machine time means it is cheaper) to make. It is also heavier so the 556-SD is 1 oz heavier than an M4-2000. It has an all Inconel baffle stack that features our fully welded core. However, these baffles lack some of the complicated (hard to machine) geometry found in the M4-2000. So these baffles are crazy fast to make.... Meaning they are cheaper. The 556-Sd is 2 DB louder than the M4-2000 but at $650 it's a really great deal.

People have been asking AAC to bring back the 762-SD for some time now. Making it all Inconel makes the most sense as Inconel is the most durable material for baffles in a rifle can. The $650 price is do-able because the 762-SD baffles are easy for AAC to make. Way faster than the 762-SDN6 baffles. And the 762-SDN6 has a lot more baffles then a 762-sd

The 762-SD and the 762-SDN6 weigh the same. The SD is longer but has fewer baffles than an N6

Inconel is crazy hard to machine. However, you learn a lot when you make as many M42ks and N6 silencers as we have. The 762-SD and the 556-SD baffle design allows AAC to make them quickly (because we know how to machine Inconel ) so we are passing the savings on to you... The customers.

Thanks to everyone that bought an M4-2000 and/or an N6. They are the reason AAC can offer the 556-SD and 762-SD for $650.

Without our customers we are nothing. Thank you all.
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Post by Fireman1291 » Sat Jan 18, 2014 10:17 am

1_ar_newbie wrote:Couple things here

SR5 and SR7 are badass. A TON better than the cans we showed in 2012 that bared the same name. These are the most durable, lightest, quietest and most accurate fast attach silencers that we have ever tested.

Ranger 3 is a steal at $600.

The idea behind the 556-SD was to build an M4-2000 for less money. It uses the same 51t mount. It has a different tube that is faster (less machine time means it is cheaper) to make. It is also heavier so the 556-SD is 1 oz heavier than an M4-2000. It has an all Inconel baffle stack that features our fully welded core. However, these baffles lack some of the complicated (hard to machine) geometry found in the M4-2000. So these baffles are crazy fast to make.... Meaning they are cheaper. The 556-Sd is 2 DB louder than the M4-2000 but at $650 it's a really great deal.

People have been asking AAC to bring back the 762-SD for some time now. Making it all Inconel makes the most sense as Inconel is the most durable material for baffles in a rifle can. The $650 price is do-able because the 762-SD baffles are easy for AAC to make. Way faster than the 762-SDN6 baffles. And the 762-SDN6 has a lot more baffles then a 762-sd

The 762-SD and the 762-SDN6 weigh the same. The SD is longer but has fewer baffles than an N6

Inconel is crazy hard to machine. However, you learn a lot when you make as many M42ks and N6 silencers as we have. The 762-SD and the 556-SD baffle design allows AAC to make them quickly (because we know how to machine Inconel ) so we are passing the savings on to you... The customers.

Thanks to everyone that bought an M4-2000 and/or an N6. They are the reason AAC can offer the 556-SD and 762-SD for $650.

Without our customers we are nothing. Thank you all.
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Post by m1garand30064 » Sat Jan 18, 2014 11:11 am

1_ar_newbie wrote:Couple things here

SR5 and SR7 are badass. A TON better than the cans we showed in 2012 that bared the same name. These are the most durable, lightest, quietest and most accurate fast attach silencers that we have ever tested.

Ranger 3 is a steal at $600.

The idea behind the 556-SD was to build an M4-2000 for less money. It uses the same 51t mount. It has a different tube that is faster (less machine time means it is cheaper) to make. It is also heavier so the 556-SD is 1 oz heavier than an M4-2000. It has an all Inconel baffle stack that features our fully welded core. However, these baffles lack some of the complicated (hard to machine) geometry found in the M4-2000. So these baffles are crazy fast to make.... Meaning they are cheaper. The 556-Sd is 2 DB louder than the M4-2000 but at $650 it's a really great deal.

People have been asking AAC to bring back the 762-SD for some time now. Making it all Inconel makes the most sense as Inconel is the most durable material for baffles in a rifle can. The $650 price is do-able because the 762-SD baffles are easy for AAC to make. Way faster than the 762-SDN6 baffles. And the 762-SDN6 has a lot more baffles then a 762-sd

The 762-SD and the 762-SDN6 weigh the same. The SD is longer but has fewer baffles than an N6

Inconel is crazy hard to machine. However, you learn a lot when you make as many M42ks and N6 silencers as we have. The 762-SD and the 556-SD baffle design allows AAC to make them quickly (because we know how to machine Inconel ) so we are passing the savings on to you... The customers.

Thanks to everyone that bought an M4-2000 and/or an N6. They are the reason AAC can offer the 556-SD and 762-SD for $650.

Without our customers we are nothing. Thank you all.
Thanks for the info Mike. Will the M4-2000 still be a part of the product line going forward?
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Post by 1_ar_newbie » Sat Jan 18, 2014 12:21 pm

m1garand30064 wrote:
1_ar_newbie wrote:Couple things here

SR5 and SR7 are badass. A TON better than the cans we showed in 2012 that bared the same name. These are the most durable, lightest, quietest and most accurate fast attach silencers that we have ever tested.

Ranger 3 is a steal at $600.

The idea behind the 556-SD was to build an M4-2000 for less money. It uses the same 51t mount. It has a different tube that is faster (less machine time means it is cheaper) to make. It is also heavier so the 556-SD is 1 oz heavier than an M4-2000. It has an all Inconel baffle stack that features our fully welded core. However, these baffles lack some of the complicated (hard to machine) geometry found in the M4-2000. So these baffles are crazy fast to make.... Meaning they are cheaper. The 556-Sd is 2 DB louder than the M4-2000 but at $650 it's a really great deal.

People have been asking AAC to bring back the 762-SD for some time now. Making it all Inconel makes the most sense as Inconel is the most durable material for baffles in a rifle can. The $650 price is do-able because the 762-SD baffles are easy for AAC to make. Way faster than the 762-SDN6 baffles. And the 762-SDN6 has a lot more baffles then a 762-sd

The 762-SD and the 762-SDN6 weigh the same. The SD is longer but has fewer baffles than an N6

Inconel is crazy hard to machine. However, you learn a lot when you make as many M42ks and N6 silencers as we have. The 762-SD and the 556-SD baffle design allows AAC to make them quickly (because we know how to machine Inconel ) so we are passing the savings on to you... The customers.

Thanks to everyone that bought an M4-2000 and/or an N6. They are the reason AAC can offer the 556-SD and 762-SD for $650.

Without our customers we are nothing. Thank you all.
Thanks for the info Mike. Will the M4-2000 still be a part of the product line going forward?
Of course the M4-2000 is in the line!

It is 2-DB quieter and an OZ lighter than a 556-SD. A great option for any 5.56mm carbine
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Post by aries14482 » Sat Jan 18, 2014 8:25 pm

Originally, there was talk about putting the serial number pm the Ranger 3's rear-most part and using a sort of sectional design to allow for future repairs without the hassle and wait of a new stamp.

The new Ranger 3 pictured above seems to show the serial number on the forward section.

Can anyone comment on this or offer more details about the changes to the Ranger 3 since we last saw a rendition of it?

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aries14482 wrote:Originally, there was talk about putting the serial number pm the Ranger 3's rear-most part and using a sort of sectional design to allow for future repairs without the hassle and wait of a new stamp.

The new Ranger 3 pictured above seems to show the serial number on the forward section.

Can anyone comment on this or offer more details about the changes to the Ranger 3 since we last saw a rendition of it?
The ATF does not approve of this. They even changed the FAQ page for silencers after we ask this about the Ranger 3.

Read here http://www.atf.gov/firearms/faq/nationa ... cer-repair


" May a Federal Firearms Licensee repair a silencer by replacing worn or damaged components?
A person who is licensed under the Gun Control Act (GCA) to manufacture firearms and who has paid the special (occupational) tax to manufacture National Firearms Act (NFA) firearms may replace a component part or parts of a silencer. Repairs may not be done if they result in removal, obliteration, or alteration of the serial number, as this would violate 18 U.S.C. § 922(k). If a silencer part bearing the serial number, other than the outer tube, must be replaced, the new part must be marked with the same serial number as the replacement part.
The term “repair” does not include replacement of the outer tube of the silencer. The outer tube is the largest single part of the silencer, the main structural component of the silencer, and is the part to which all other component parts are attached. The replacement of the outer tube is so significant an event that it amounts to the “making” of a new silencer. As such, the new silencer must be marked, registered and transferred in accordance with the NFA and GCA.
In the event that identical replacement parts for a silencer are not available, new and different component parts may be used as long as the silencer retains the same dimensions and caliber. In addition, the repair may result in a minimal reduction in the length of the outer tube due to rethreading, but repair may not increase the length of the outer tube. Increasing the length of the outer tube significantly affects the performance of the silencer and results in the “making” of a new silencer. As stated above, a new silencer must be marked, registered and transferred in accordance with the NFA and GCA. Reducing the length of the tube by a minimal amount in order to repair a silencer is often necessary to replace damaged end caps, as the tube must be rethreaded. Such minimal reduction of the length of the tube uses all of the original parts, does not significantly affect performance of the silencer, and may be done as part of a repair process without making a new silencer.
Persons other than qualified manufacturers may repair silencers, but replacement parts are “silencers” as defined in 18 U.S.C. § 921(a)(24) that must be registered and transferred in accordance with the NFA and GCA.





So, even if the tube is not the serialized part of the silencer... If the tube needs replaced the can is dead and a new $200 tax and form 4 transfer is needed. :shock:
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Post by Conqueror » Mon Jan 20, 2014 12:49 pm

So, when can we expect to be able to pre-order these? I want to plan my spending so I can be disappointed when none of them have shipped by SHOT 2015.
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Conqueror wrote:So, when can we expect to be able to pre-order these? I want to plan my spending so I can be disappointed when none of them have shipped by SHOT 2015.
Place orders now.

762-SD and 556-SD silencers are being made now and will ship in March. (form 3's are taking about 6 weeks... so if i make it today it will ship in the first week of March or so)

SR-5 and SR-7 silencers are being made in March and shipped in May. (if the 6 week lead time on form 3's holds true)

Ranger 3 and Mini-7 will ship in June.
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1_ar_newbie wrote:
Conqueror wrote:So, when can we expect to be able to pre-order these? I want to plan my spending so I can be disappointed when none of them have shipped by SHOT 2015.
Place orders now.

762-SD and 556-SD silencers are being made now and will ship in March. (form 3's are taking about 6 weeks... so if i make it today it will ship in the first week of March or so)

SR-5 and SR-7 silencers are being made in March and shipped in May. (if the 6 week lead time on form 3's holds true)

Ranger 3 and Mini-7 will ship in June.
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Re: AAC at SHOT

Post by dan9591 » Mon Jan 20, 2014 4:13 pm

Any new adapters debut at SHOT? Perhaps a TiRant MP5 3-lug?...

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dan9591 wrote:Any new adapters debut at SHOT? Perhaps a TiRant MP5 3-lug?...

New Brakeout 2.0 51 tooth mount.

No 3-lug yet... it is coming in 2014 I promise!
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Post by CallMeShooter » Mon Jan 20, 2014 10:37 pm

Any pics of the new Brakeout 2?

What kind of performance gains will the SR-5 have over an M4-2000?

Are there any plans for a Mini-SR5?
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Post by aries14482 » Tue Jan 21, 2014 2:25 am

So, even if the tube is not the serialized part of the silencer... If the tube needs replaced the can is dead and a new $200 tax and form 4 transfer is needed. :shock:
That seems to change things. Thank you for the information.

Are there any changes to the Ranger 3's stats like weight and length that you can mention?

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